Smog-Induced Driving Restrictions?

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Re: Smog-Induced Driving Restrictions?

Postby go play outside » Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:49 pm

If it were that simple.

If you have a pre-existing health condition, the smog can tip the balance. Kids with Respiratory Syncytial Virus, which I had never heard of before I came here, end up on respirators. Asthmatics end up in hospital. From experience, a simple cold virus in a child far more likely to become sinister.

I have read stats that 7 people a day die as a direct result of the contamination. It is actually a fairly new area of study, but evidence points to a very nasty reality.

I spoke to a respiratory specialist who called raising a child in Santiago's air "child abuse".

It's no just about it being unpleasant. Our lungs are not built to deal with the particulates.

I am researching more and will share later if interested-
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Another pre-emergency Friday July 8

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Re: Another pre-emergency Friday July 8

Postby FrankPintor » Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:51 pm

go play outside wrote:Anyone else getting sick of this?

http://foundinchile.cl/2011/07/santiago ... ly-8-2011/

I imagine you must be... the Quilicura figure you mention on your blog was truly eye-wateringly amazing, and bear in mind I'm living in Mexico City... what is the problem exactly down there?

I can't imagine banning a few cars for a day is going to solve anything, especially given that Santiago has a fairly modern vehicle fleet.
Too many people in one place? Not really, Mexico City has at least 5 times more people in approximately twice the area.
The two cities have a similar geography as well... valleys surrounded by mountains (Mexico City has an active volcano on the valley rim to add to the haze... I mean, charm, btw).

So what's the deal? Why is Santiago so much worse?
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Re: Smog-Induced Driving Restrictions?

Postby Tombi » Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:49 am

HI Frank, it's the geography. I will see if I can find a good sketch, but basically we are lying in a basin and in the winter, there is a layer of cold air that pushes down so the warm, dirty air can't rise out of the basin. Strong winds help, but is unusual around here, rain is really the only cure until summer comes along and the cold layer disappears again. I'm sorry if my explanation is over simplified, but that is my rudimentary understanding of how it works.

Old cars have restrictions every day in winter, but the newer cars only on pre-emergency days. We can see the difference after a day of pre-emergencia, but I think the main culprits are wood fire smoke (there are big parts of Santiago where people rely on this for heat and dry, hard wood is not easily available) and industry.

My asshole neighbours light their fireplace every day in winter, we have dobbed them in, but nothing gets done. Seems the rules don't apply to fat cats in Vitacura and it sticks in my craw that people like our nana (used to) nearly freeze to death as they don't use wood fire and can't afford gas, but these f-wits light their fires for ambiance. (I say used to as I bought her some electric oil heaters and pay the difference to her electricity bill in winter. Told you, I'm a freaking bleeding heart :) )

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Re: Smog-Induced Driving Restrictions?

Postby scandinavian » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:50 am

I have serious doubts about the effectiveness of the bans. Today for example, my plan is to go to my in-laws to watch the game. My car is affected by the ban, so now my mother-in-law will pick us up and take us home after the game. That means the double amount of pollution (all other equal) than without the ban.
How many people find solutions like that?
Furthermore, are cars with catalysts really the big problem here? it seems to me that the bigger culprits are the old beat down trucks and poorly maintained busses.

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Pre-emergency 23 July

Postby go play outside » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:38 pm

Another pre-emergency for Saturday 23 July.

http://foundinchile.cl/2011/07/preemerg ... july-2011/

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Re: Smog-Induced Driving Restrictions?

Postby ExpatBob » Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:46 pm

So I come back to Chile to take care of some stuff and not 24 hours after arrival I am pulled over by a chancho and given a ticket for violating the daily smog lottery. The thing is, looking at how this lottery works, sello verde cars are “immune” from it, and since my car is sello verde, in theory I should not have a ticket, but alas, this is how my luck runs. Is taking this to the chancheria and challenging it worth the time, or should I just fork over the lucas and be done with it?

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Re: Smog-Induced Driving Restrictions?

Postby HybridAmbassador » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:33 pm

ExpatBob wrote:So I come back to Chile to take care of some stuff and not 24 hours after arrival I am pulled over by a chancho and given a ticket for violating the daily smog lottery. The thing is, looking at how this lottery works, sello verde cars are “immune” from it, and since my car is sello verde, in theory I should not have a ticket, but alas, this is how my luck runs. Is taking this to the chancheria and challenging it worth the time, or should I just fork over the lucas and be done with it?


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Postby ExpatBob » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:02 pm

Hey :) Well they sort of almost fixed the internet after 2 years of complaining, so now I get close to the contracted bandwidth I've been paying for this whole time. Maybe actually liveable. Time will tell. Maybe over the next 2 years they will install fiber here in centro where there is a population that can actually use it, instead of wasting their money on running expensive cable to podunk armpits of the country where there is nobody around.
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Re: Smog-Induced Driving Restrictions?

Postby admin » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:42 pm

ExpatBob wrote:Hey :) Well they sort of almost fixed the internet after 2 years of complaining, so now I get close to the contracted bandwidth I've been paying for this whole time. Maybe actually liveable. Time will tell. Maybe over the next 2 years they will install fiber here in centro where there is a population that can actually use it, instead of wasting their money on running expensive cable to podunk armpits of the country where there is nobody around.
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I think they just call it "net neutrality". Everyone, without discrimination by location, income, or education, get's the same crappy internet connection.

When they run fiber optic to the "podunk armpits of the country", they make sure never, ever to install the last km so the people that live in the "podunk armpits of the country" may actually use it. We just get to look at the fiber cables hanging from the poles, blocking the incredible view, that was the reason for living in "podunk armpits of the country" in the first place.

Our connection sucks almost as bad as upscale los condes. Almost. My VTR connection in my apartment in los condes last week was down for 12 hours on a work day, forcing me back on to my cell phone tethering to work just like I was out in the country side in southern Chile. I had almost forgotten the joys of crappy, unreliable VTR. The irony is, that almost 20 years ago now, the very first broadband connection I ever used was guess where? A crappy VTR connection, in an apartment, directly across the street from the apartment I have in Santiago now. Nothing has improved.
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Re: Smog-Induced Driving Restrictions?

Postby Donnybrook » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:58 pm

ExpatBob wrote:So I come back to Chile to take care of some stuff and not 24 hours after arrival I am pulled over by a chancho and given a ticket for violating the daily smog lottery. The thing is, looking at how this lottery works, sello verde cars are “immune” from it, and since my car is sello verde, in theory I should not have a ticket, but alas, this is how my luck runs. Is taking this to the chancheria and challenging it worth the time, or should I just fork over the lucas and be done with it?


Non-green cars have a daily restriction in winter. Cars with catalytic converters (green) get a restriction if there is a pre-emergencia - which is obviously what affected you. Two numbers for pre-emergencia and four in a full blown emergencia. This has been the norm for a few years now. Just pay the fine.

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Re: Smog-Induced Driving Restrictions?

Postby Jamers41 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:50 pm

Rather off topic from the original post but I am currently quite satisfied with my VTR fiber optic connection at home in the burbs of Santiago (Puente Alto)..........the first year in our house there was nothing available and then Movistar was the first to put down the cable (or put up rather) and offer true home internet service, which we had for about a year before going with VTR not long ago. At times I have worked from home frequently and I have almost never had issues with the ISP's connection, I guess we lucked out.


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