7.7 chiloe quake

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Re: 7.7 chiloe quake

Postby bert.douglas » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:19 pm

admin wrote:Just a couple weeks ago, while driving around Puerto Montt, I was joking that the only thing that could fix Puerto Montt was a Tsunami. Perhaps one day it will. I just did not mean on Christmas morning.

It is one of the most nasty, ugly, examples of uncontrolled urban sprawl in southern Chile, that get's worse every year; but, built on one of the most beautiful bays in the country. If you turn your back to the city, so that all you see is the bay, it is breath taking. You turn around, and it is just this shocking eye-pollution of a mess of rotting tin built up the hillside.

In an earthquake prone region, economic rationale leads to two choices:
(1) build a cheap house that can be cheaply replaced after a quake, or
(2) build a very expensive house that can be expected to survive a quake.

Isn't there some gentrification happening near the center?

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Re: 7.7 chiloe quake

Postby Gloria » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:47 pm

bert.douglas wrote:
admin wrote:Just a couple weeks ago, while driving around Puerto Montt, I was joking that the only thing that could fix Puerto Montt was a Tsunami. Perhaps one day it will. I just did not mean on Christmas morning.

It is one of the most nasty, ugly, examples of uncontrolled urban sprawl in southern Chile, that get's worse every year; but, built on one of the most beautiful bays in the country. If you turn your back to the city, so that all you see is the bay, it is breath taking. You turn around, and it is just this shocking eye-pollution of a mess of rotting tin built up the hillside.

In an earthquake prone region, economic rationale leads to two choices:
(1) build a cheap house that can be cheaply replaced after a quake, or
(2) build a very expensive house that can be expected to survive a quake.

Isn't there some gentrification happening near the center?


Bert.douglas, do you live in Chile?
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Re: 7.7 chiloe quake

Postby El Ping » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:46 pm

admin wrote:Just a couple weeks ago, while driving around Puerto Montt, I was joking that the only thing that could fix Puerto Montt was a Tsunami. Perhaps one day it will. I just did not mean on Christmas morning.

It is one of the most nasty, ugly, examples of uncontrolled urban sprawl in southern Chile, that get's worse every year; but, built on one of the most beautiful bays in the country. If you turn your back to the city, so that all you see is the bay, it is breath taking. You turn around, and it is just this shocking eye-pollution of a mess of rotting tin built up the hillside.

They keep trying to fix things, but the socialist powers that be in Puerto Montt have absolutely no sense of organization nor design.

Perhaps this scare will motivate them to get some of the urban sprawl off the beach. Like, who builds the largest bus station in southern Chile, on the beach. Then covers it in what basically looks like bathroom tile. All sitting at the prime entrance to the city as you come down the hill that would look out over the bay, if the ugly bus station was not blocking your view.


Thats a bit harsh.

The reason the new Terminus de Buses is where it is is that's where the old one was....... pretty much hard up against the commercial port. The rest of the Costanera to the east is totally clear of buildings ( 'cept one restaurant ) on the seaward side for miles and the view to the south is unobstructed.

The 'hotel' built by 'the Turks' on the eastern end of the bus terminus is ugly and I am unsure if it is even functioning as a hotel.

'rotting tin built up the hillside'? Don't think so, there is some very nice real estate from Jumbo towards the centr and above Angelmo.... the rough bit of Montt lies beyond the ridge and yes it is pretty bleak.... in fact extremely bleak in parts.

The weirdest thing is the underground carpark half way along the Costanera.... it would become 'undersea' at the first sniff of a tsunami...

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Re: 7.7 chiloe quake

Postby admin » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:12 pm

when they had the chance to move the bus terminal off the beach (should have been moved closer to route 5 on top of the hill), they instead built the current monstrosity right where the old one was. There is no good reason to bring all those buses in to the traffic in the center of town.

And the Puerto Montt vines (decades of rotting unused cables for phone, cable tv, electric) everywhere.

I was impressed that they actually tried to tear down the burned out hotel, about 4 years after the fire. Unfortunately they just cut a building in half next to the buildings they were demolishing, and left the rest of the building standing with no back wall. Who half condems a 7 story building, takes a major structural portion of it, and then just leaves the rest with a tarp over the back of the building?

Puerto montt 15 years ago or so, was stretched pretty thin with urban sprawl, but it was still a sufficiently small city that they could have fixed it. Now, they are 20 years behind the growth curve, and falling more and more behind every year.
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Re: 7.7 chiloe quake

Postby El Ping » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:29 am

admin wrote:when they had the chance to move the bus terminal off the beach (should have been moved closer to route 5 on top of the hill), they instead built the current monstrosity right where the old one was. There is no good reason to bring all those buses in to the traffic in the center of town.

And the Puerto Montt vines (decades of rotting unused cables for phone, cable tv, electric) everywhere.

I was impressed that they actually tried to tear down the burned out hotel, about 4 years after the fire. Unfortunately they just cut a building in half next to the buildings they were demolishing, and left the rest of the building standing with no back wall. Who half condems a 7 story building, takes a major structural portion of it, and then just leaves the rest with a tarp over the back of the building?

Puerto montt 15 years ago or so, was stretched pretty thin with urban sprawl, but it was still a sufficiently small city that they could have fixed it. Now, they are 20 years behind the growth curve, and falling more and more behind every year.


Um... there were a number of premises on that block... not just the ***4 floor/ 3 story**** Hotel Colina. The one in the NW corner wasn't condemned because it wasn't damaged.... blame the insurers not the local government.... and the fire was 2012... everything demolinishable was demolished by 2013.

Agree re the urban sprawl ... be thankful you live in Frutilla and not P Varas..... Alerce ... aka 'The Blob' ... will get there sooner rather than later :)
If you want to see new slums in the making go out past the shipyards in Chinquihue and take the back road to the airport....

Mate of mine reckons central government are just shipping all the Stiago poor to Montt just because they can.


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