No country for the anal-retentive

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hlf2888
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Re: No country for the anal-retentive

Post by hlf2888 » Mon May 21, 2012 9:20 pm

Thanks CS,
good story Andres
wish I could afford a jeep but not in budget Zeronz
Yes, Vicky and Greg, it is a place of dichotomies.

Everyone has internet access (but it is super slow and unreliable, even Entel)
Everyone has a cell phone (but the reception is very bad and you often have to yell to be heard)
The super-uber government office immediately assigns you a personal information number (It is scribbled in the undecipherable handwriting of the bureaucrat on duty on a scrap of paper and then mysteriously appears in plastic card form in the same office with the same number about 7 days later)
The notary office dutifully records this personal identification number (and then they pull out a pad of sticky black ink and tell you to put your thumb into it and press the thumbprint onto the official paper, and they give you toilet paper to clean your thumb with... maybe the city notaries give you kleenex :) ).
Everything seems to be super slow, people walk slow, things happen slow, (except for the way Chileans speak which is way beyond any speed limit).
I am learning to leave my expectations behind, walk slower and wait better.

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Re: No country for the anal-retentive

Post by Kimberley » Mon May 21, 2012 9:46 pm

hlf2888 wrote: Everything seems to be super slow, people walk slow
definitely slower than necessary. and has anyone else noticed that there seems to be a general "drifting", either to one side, or in random directions, in the way Chileans walk on the street. Either they are adverse to a straight line or they have a sixth sense on how to block your desire to initiate a take over maneuver.
on the flip side, it is kind of nice to slow down and enjoy the ride.

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Re: No country for the anal-retentive

Post by Vicki and Greg Lansen » Mon May 21, 2012 10:01 pm

Agreed Kimberley. All about perspective.

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Re: No country for the anal-retentive

Post by sandrab » Mon May 21, 2012 10:52 pm

Donnybrook wrote:
sandrab wrote:
admin wrote:Most of the people that are in "shock" about Chile or have trouble adjusting, have not been to a whole lot of other places.

Just about everything on our list of issues, is 1000X worst everywhere else in the World.

This rings true for me I only travelled twice in my life before coming to chile ( Calgary Canada and Ocala Florida ) both times were with my horses for shows. Coming to chile the first time I was blown away at the hills and mountains , everything and everyone seemed so unique lol. Now after living here almost 2 years the magical stars in my eyes have gotten much smaller.

I don't hate chile per say I just don't understand it. Where I lived in Canada was so different, the mannerisms of the people, how children are raised, how the buses are run, how the streets and sidewalks are maintained etc

Lol I could go on forever but I am here now and trying my hardest to adapt from inside my compound walls where I feel safest.
I once had a conversation with a guy who worked in Lider in Viña. He had lived in England for a couple of years and said it was very hard to get used to, the food was strange and they didn't make many friends. I pointed out that foreigners who come to Chile have the same problem. He was very shocked at the thought. Everyone uses the ruler they know to measure things. But sometimes people try measuring with a ruler in inches things which can only be mentioned in centimetres (or vice versa).

Sandrab, do you ever go to Viña or get up to Santiago? Have you explored Valparaíso a bit? Maybe safe is fine but not what you need right now.
I have never been to Santiago I'm sure I would be super parinoid with all the traffic and people. I have been to vina a lot and love valpariso but the last time I was there I was the target of a purse snatcher and had a pretty bad experience so ...

I think I have witnessed too much and heard too many stories to feel safe anymore, being alone here doesn't help either :| but at least the wine is cheap.

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Re: No country for the anal-retentive

Post by Donnybrook » Tue May 22, 2012 12:42 am

sandrab wrote:
Donnybrook wrote:
sandrab wrote:
admin wrote:Most of the people that are in "shock" about Chile or have trouble adjusting, have not been to a whole lot of other places.

Just about everything on our list of issues, is 1000X worst everywhere else in the World.

This rings true for me I only travelled twice in my life before coming to chile ( Calgary Canada and Ocala Florida ) both times were with my horses for shows. Coming to chile the first time I was blown away at the hills and mountains , everything and everyone seemed so unique lol. Now after living here almost 2 years the magical stars in my eyes have gotten much smaller.

I don't hate chile per say I just don't understand it. Where I lived in Canada was so different, the mannerisms of the people, how children are raised, how the buses are run, how the streets and sidewalks are maintained etc

Lol I could go on forever but I am here now and trying my hardest to adapt from inside my compound walls where I feel safest.
I once had a conversation with a guy who worked in Lider in Viña. He had lived in England for a couple of years and said it was very hard to get used to, the food was strange and they didn't make many friends. I pointed out that foreigners who come to Chile have the same problem. He was very shocked at the thought. Everyone uses the ruler they know to measure things. But sometimes people try measuring with a ruler in inches things which can only be mentioned in centimetres (or vice versa).

Sandrab, do you ever go to Viña or get up to Santiago? Have you explored Valparaíso a bit? Maybe safe is fine but not what you need right now.
I have never been to Santiago I'm sure I would be super parinoid with all the traffic and people. I have been to vina a lot and love valpariso but the last time I was there I was the target of a purse snatcher and had a pretty bad experience so ...

I think I have witnessed too much and heard too many stories to feel safe anymore, being alone here doesn't help either :| but at least the wine is cheap.
When I first lived in Viña I used to come up to Santiago once a month. I never liked Viña. I would take the bus up and have a goal, a particular museum or exhibition. You really only need to use line 1 of the metro. I would have a bite to eat and return. It is a nice ride through a lot of wine country. In Viña I used join whatever I could to keep busy: Scottish dancing classes, flower arranging, whatever. If you don't feel like coming up to Santiago, you should at least find something to do in Viña. The Instituto Chileno Británico on 3 Norte 824 in Viña has a small library you can join. I used to know an American lady who lived in Viña but she left. I'll ask around if anyone knows anyone in the area.

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Re: No country for the anal-retentive

Post by sandrab » Tue May 22, 2012 1:30 am

Ok thanks i would love to work with horses or dogs or even do something with photography. Those are my interests and specialties. I know I need to get out and about it's just hard to do.

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Re: No country for the anal-retentive

Post by hlf2888 » Tue May 22, 2012 5:30 am

Kimberley wrote:
hlf2888 wrote: Everything seems to be super slow, people walk slow
definitely slower than necessary. and has anyone else noticed that there seems to be a general "drifting", either to one side, or in random directions, in the way Chileans walk on the street. Either they are adverse to a straight line or they have a sixth sense on how to block your desire to initiate a take over maneuver.
on the flip side, it is kind of nice to slow down and enjoy the ride.
looking at construction and window installation, I would agree with adverse to a straight line.
One perk, when I wake up at 3 am to let some fresh air into the house, the internet speed is almost fast. :D so if you are experiencing fast surfing withdrawal symptoms, try 3 am.

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Re: No country for the anal-retentive

Post by LightAges » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:01 pm

Hmmm.....

I am a Canadian who has now lived and adjusted to Chile for 2-1/2 years. The first year was a mixture of wild eyed amazement for the beauty and tranquility of my new home just outside San Pedro de Atacama. This was mixed with the terrible realization that the business I was obligated to do in Calama was the most horrible ridiculous pointless time wasting emotional draining pile of crap I had never expected from any government. Dealing with stores and businesses is only one step above there. Until Chile gets past the old Latino American ways of doing things, it will progress very very slowly.

As I learned the culture more and understood people more it slowly has become less important to me that I might need to stand in line from 6:30am waiting to beg someone for an appointment for 2 weeks from now, or waiting in line from 5:30am in the morning to be sure that I can get a driver's license the same day and finally being done at 11:30am. My life here where I am in the middle of nowhere is a beautiful life with clear skies, clean air, and silence during the night. I just have to balance that against the chainsaw massacre inbred town that Calama is and my life is great here. On my own and I can be as anal retentive as I want and no one can slow me down here except myself.

Ironically, I found my stays in Santiago to be easy and without too much stress, except for the constant noise. And yes, I also find the need to have noise everywhere a peculiar trait of the Chileno culture, especially reggaton.....

Anyway, if you want an uptight anal retentive worry about everything live, then get back to a "first world" country and instead of waiting in line on your feet for some things, wait in your car burning fuel for an hour each way to work each day.

As far as I a concerned, Chile is not just Santiago. There are many other places in Chile to fit your way of living.

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Re: No country for the anal-retentive

Post by ElPincheViejo » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:39 pm

"Just about everything on our list of issues, is 1000X worst everywhere else in the World."

For instance....try Belize!

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Re: No country for the anal-retentive

Post by ryanar » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:02 pm

ElPincheViejo wrote:"Just about everything on our list of issues, is 1000X worst everywhere else in the World."
Sure, Chile is a long way from "world's worst" in its practices, but it's a stretch to imply it has world's best practices in pretty much anything involving humans! It is what it is - not first world, not third world, somewhere in between.

2 pesos...

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Re: No country for the anal-retentive

Post by bettybottles » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:20 pm

First time posting. Have visited my expat sister and now like to daydream about a summer beach cabin by Isle Negre for Feb. March visits. Any commments?

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Re: No country for the anal-retentive

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:26 pm

bettybottles wrote:First time posting. Have visited my expat sister and now like to daydream about a summer beach cabin by Isle Negre for Feb. March visits. Any commments?
You found February in Isla Negra a daydream?
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One is to believe what isn't true;

the other is to refuse to believe what is true.

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