Let us write a constitution for Chile.

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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by Zenth » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:03 am

A tax holiday would be helpful.

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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by admin » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:57 am

It addresses not one single problem or social demand.

It is a super stinky political red herring, so none of the politicians or political parties have to actually stick their neck out and own the problems.
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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by 41southchile » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:12 am

Britkid wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:58 am
Some politicians and some TV presenters I saw this morning seemed to think was a major step forward. I think it would have made more sense to start with a big increase to the minimum wage and pensions if they really want to try and calm things down.
Yeah I have my doubts too about this strategy, I think lots are just seeing it as "any thing " will do at this stage to stop the violence.
Hope I'm wrong, it happens, but gut feeling is not feeling the optimism some are feeling, Admin summed it up well.
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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by admin » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:40 am

well, on a bright note. this is my big chance to finally read the federalist papers been meaning to read them completely for years.
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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by admin » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:34 pm

here is the thing, in theory, this seems to be the best of the worse options on the table.

again, I am however very pessimistic about how thing will function in practice.
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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by Space Cat » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:19 pm

An analysis that explains the problematic articles of the current constitution:
https://www.dw.com/es/constitución-chil ... a-51233042

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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by admin » Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:26 am

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... ucion.html

so here is the other shoe to drop.

the far left is trying to hijack the whole process by setting quotas for groups that all vote heavily far left.

among others:
mapuche
women / men 50 / 50
chilean expats (large communities of exhiles that were pro-allende, communist, socialist, etc)
and kids as young as 14 (are you fucking kidding me)

I am for all these groups, except the kids, participating, but one citizen, one vote.

If they set predetermined quotas, they are deligitimizing the entire process, exactly the way they claim the 1980's constitution is not legitimate.

the far left knows they are such a minority, that without stacking the electoral deck, they can not control the process.
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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sat Nov 23, 2019 10:12 am

Since Chile taxation is residency based, Chilean expats should not be able to vote. Only those with skin in the game (resident) should vote.
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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by fraggle092 » Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:01 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Sat Nov 23, 2019 10:12 am
Since Chile taxation is residency based, Chilean expats should not be able to vote. Only those with skin in the game (resident) should vote.
Agree, Chileans living permanently abroad should not have the right to vote. They are mostly lefties, which is why Bachelet's government introduced this costly, and in terms of votes cast, irrelevant change to the system.
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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by admin » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:19 am

So this stupidly continues. I seen the right udi now is proposing quotas for the churches, etc.

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... ucion.html

oh, and the left has tacked on crap that would insure the constitutional congress, get paid for three years.
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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by admin » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:30 am

I am totally willing to vote for a communist, gay transgender mapuche "women", if she / he is qualified and can sell me on having good ideas for a constitution and the country; but, don't dilute my right to vote for them, or not, with pre-rigged quota bullshit.
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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by Zenth » Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:38 pm

One person, one vote as long as you’re a Citizen. Citizens living overseas included.
Keep it simple.

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