could chile buy the F-35? future of the Chilean military

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could chile buy the F-35? future of the Chilean military

Post by admin » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:44 pm

I stumbled across this video on YouTube. Thought this was a worth a giggle.

Could chile buy the F-35?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6aINr7G8K6o

yea, they could. well at least a couple. should they is a whole different problem.

I don't even think chile should be wasting money on F-16, etc.

I was standing at my window one day, looking out over the lake. a pair of F-16s went streaking by on maneuvers. my house keeper was standing next to me watching them too. I turned to her and said, "there goes more money than either of us will ever see in our lifetime".

She was even more shocked and outraged, when i told her it costs about 15 million pesos per hour to fly, each.

chile needs to drop the over priced ego toys, skip the 5 /6 th generation fighter scam, and buy a fleet of low cost drones. something your average chilean gamer can fly from a desk, after an hour with the user manual. then slash the defense budget by half. the generals will still have change leftover to go to the casino.
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Re: could chile buy the F-35? future of the Chilean military

Post by 41southchile » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:34 pm

Chile needs to slash costs and stop spending money on lots of stuff, but I guess that could be said about all countries. The wastage and bad allocation of resources by the state is absurd and obscene, but that's as old as time itself in democracies and non democracies alike.
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Post by Julito » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:20 am

It dawned on me the other day that Chile would be far more wealthy and develop a lot faster if it imposed all its existing laws. Take for example tax collection. I´ve no idea what proportion of the population lives quite comfortably without paying tax their entire lives, many many self employed maestros, the thousands of collectevos and taxis and the thousands more street sellers are just the tip of the iceberg. Add to that all the cash only informal accommodation throughout the country ie. the thousands of holiday cabanas tucked away in peoples back yards.

But then I´m thinking that any govt which aggressively imposed all the existing laws and collected the billions in fines and taxes would never be re-elected and they know it.

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Post by admin » Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:10 am

well the one that is finally getting collected is property tax. for decades much of the property tax that should have been paid, was not collected, simply because the sii was too lazy to go properly reassess the value of properties. money sitting on the table.
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Re: could chile buy the F-35? future of the Chilean military

Post by fraggle092 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:00 pm

Julito wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:20 am
It dawned on me the other day that Chile would be far more wealthy and develop a lot faster if it imposed all its existing laws. Take for example tax collection.
Very true...but
Julito wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:20 am
But then I´m thinking that any govt which aggressively imposed all the existing laws and collected the billions in fines and taxes would never be re-elected and they know it.
Also very true. Redistribution of wealth is only popular at the receiving end, especially when virtually the whole population is on the fiddle in one way or another.
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Re: could chile buy the F-35? future of the Chilean military

Post by mem » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:48 pm

Well they sure make a killing on IVA! And IVA imposition is water tight.

IVA revenues probably dwarf all the other tax related revenues


Yeah, don't buy the F-35...settle for nothing less than TR3B lol

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Post by Julito » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:32 pm

Yes there´s a killing made on IVA but it´s certainly not watertight. There are plenty of IVA scams going on. The most common is factura promised but never delivered and the IVA pocketed. There´s a lot of that, the thinking being "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush", hang the reputation.

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Post by admin » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:18 pm

well, i kind of have mixed feelings about the iva tax.

on the one hand it is a fairly reliable way to collect tax, when faced with an otherwise imperfect tax system in other areas. everyone pays iva.

on the other hand, I think it is much more of a burden on the poor.

i also think there are certain capital goods, chile does not make, that should not be iva taxed. computers for example.

but back to the military. the pinera administration has introduced a bill to kill the military mandatory copper quota, and reform how the military is funded. allowing them to do long-term planning.
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Post by fraggle092 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:30 pm

The official IVA evasion rate is reckoned to be around 15%, but that's only within activities that the SII is aware of. They go after the mostly law-abiding IVA-registered concerns rather than trying to tackle the Black Economy, which is much harder to target.

I cannot understand the mentality behind not issuing a Factura and keeping the IVA. You only get do that once; the client will take his future business elsewhere, to somewhere more honest. But it's not uncommon.
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Post by nwdiver » Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:23 pm

Drones are the weapon of the future.......big ones and tiny cluster drones....
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Re: could chile buy the F-35? future of the Chilean military

Post by 41southchile » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:32 pm

Julito wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:20 am
It dawned on me the other day that Chile would be far more wealthy and develop a lot faster if it imposed all its existing laws. Take for example tax collection. I´ve no idea what proportion of the population lives quite comfortably without paying tax their entire lives, many many self employed maestros, the thousands of collectevos and taxis and the thousands more street sellers are just the tip of the iceberg. Add to that all the cash only informal accommodation throughout the country ie. the thousands of holiday cabanas tucked away in peoples back yards.

But then I´m thinking that any govt which aggressively imposed all the existing laws and collected the billions in fines and taxes would never be re-elected and they know it.
Between boletas, IVA factura payments, property tax , renta, cap gains, etc friggin etc, I feel like I am forever paying some sort of friggin tax in Chile. I grumble about it, but that's a sport I guess, complaining about tax. My old man always use to say , nothing in life is certain except death and taxes. It would be a complete lie to say I happily pay tax, but it is what it is I guess, and that's the rules of the game, there are rules that can legitimately help to avoid some of those taxes, which is fine.
It's the evaders that seem to think they are oh so clever wasting their time and energy trying not to pay anything, each to their own I guess , although I bet those evading tax are the first to bitch and moan that the government is not doing enough for them and should be giving giving them more , I know their type.
Tax is tax just as long as the rules are clear, fine, it's when a certain ex president screws around with everything ( against all advice not to), that problems arise, ah well not the first or last politician to make a mess of things here I guess.
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Re: could chile buy the F-35? future of the Chilean military

Post by 41southchile » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:39 pm

fraggle092 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:30 pm

I cannot understand the mentality behind not issuing a Factura and keeping the IVA. You only get do that once; the client will take his future business elsewhere, to somewhere more honest. But it's not uncommon.
Lol🤣 I cannot understand the mentality behind probably 80 percent of the populations decisions and ways of doing things here . The other 20 percent of the population and AllChile members are the only thing that keeps me sane and stops me from telling the 80 percent what I think of their decision making processes.
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