Social mobility in Chile

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Social mobility in Chile

Post by at46 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:51 pm

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Re: Social mobility in Chile

Post by admin » Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:55 pm

not even sure how to read that chart.

i think it says chile has better social mobility (realy economoc mobility) than the rest?
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Re: Social mobility in Chile

Post by at46 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:03 pm

admin wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:55 pm
not even sure how to read that chart.

i think it says chile has better social mobility (realy economoc mobility) than the rest?
Yes, that's exactly how I read it, and yes, economic mobility. Which is very counter-intuitive given how we've all been brainwashed to think America is the only land of true opportunity. Turns out the US is actually the worst, even worse that Germany, and in Germany they don't let you make any decisions till you're 40+, if ever. In Chile, on the other hand, a smart kid from a poor family has three times greater chance of rising to the top that in the US.

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Re: Social mobility in Chile

Post by admin » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:45 pm

as nice as it is to see a chart showing something positive about chile in international media, i have mixed feelings about it.

first, u.s. definetly deserves to be at the bottom. i am not even sure how it is not classified as a (de)developing country except by politicaly mandated definition.

just today:
80% of americans have no retirment funds
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09- ... ent-crisis

debt to hit 99 trillion by 2048
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09- ... llars-2048

and drum roll please, america has 107 trillion in household wealth, owned 90% by the 1%

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09- ... -one-catch

but back to chile, i do see a lot of mobility, and getting better over the years; but.........

chile has grown so wealthy over the last 40 years, the stats i believe would be more than a bit biased by the various chaose of the past 40 years. for example some very rich, became very poor, and some very poor became very rich, with the allende to dictatorship, and back to democracy. essentialy, who is the son of the "rich", got very distorted over the last 50 years. perhaps say over the last 30 years, might be more apples to apples, but even that has its distortiins.

it might even be higher for all i know, but would need to see some fine details, perhaps trying to control for various historical one offs or something.
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Re: Social mobility in Chile

Post by admin » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:28 am

i was just thinking, if you really want to check social mobility, and not just economic mobility, they should be looking at daughters vs. sons, relative to their mother's economic status.

considering all the challenges that women faced a generation ago, and still face, a woman's ability to move up the economic ladder would be far more telling of the overall impact on society.

we know from a billion studies, a mother's education, economic standing, job prospects, etc have much larger long-term social impact for the society and their childrens' in terms of things like better education, healthcare, life expectancy, happiness, etc.

in chile that would probably be a big one, as many women were married under the marriage regime where the husband controlled all her assets, there was no divorce, educational and employment opertunities were limited, etc. also, the laws excluded or limited "illegetimate" children from inheriting property, etc. in the last 20 years, chile has updated a lot of very old crusty laws that directly impact the economic and social prospects of women, and also invested heavily in things like women's education, early childhood education, child custody and child support laws, reducing or even just prosecuting domestic violence, and so on.
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Re: Social mobility in Chile

Post by admin » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:42 am

i guess another way to put it, is it is like trying to judge the health of herd of deer or gazels. studying the alphas does not realy tell you much about the overall health of the herd. studying the status of the week, old, vulnerable does. how are they doing?

There is a good evolutionary reason the lions study the the weekest part of the herd, and are only interested in the alphas to the extent they are willing to help protect or come to the rescue of the zetas in the herd.

a healthy strong herd, should have a lot of old, lame, and very young members, that are doing just fine. otherwise, what is the evolutionary advantage to being part of a herd at all?
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