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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by at46 » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:57 pm

bert.douglas wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:31 pm
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Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:20 am
I think you're talking about the Russian aircraft killer 'Kinzhal' or Dagger which zeros in at a speed of 10 Mach https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-47M2_Kinzhal
China has several classes of missiles specifically designed to kill ships. One that has been around for years is an ordinary intermediate range ballistic missile, with an actively guided reentry vehicle. It can be launched from 1000 miles away. All you need to know is the location of the target ship. Any fishing boat or yacht with a sat-phone can provide this information. China also has satellites that track the position of ships at sea. It is impossible to hide an aircraft carrier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-21#DF- ... ic_missile
There are lots of anti-ship missiles out there. The Dagger just reaches farther, hits harder and way, way faster. The other anti-ship thing the Russians have is the unmanned undersea drone with a nuclear engine and nuclear or regular payload that has unlimited range and speed several times faster than anything that moves in or under the sea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ship_missile

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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by admin » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:56 pm

call me when someone actuely sinks a modern aircraft carrier group. but, aircraft carriers were never realy intended to be invincible. they are meant to provide portiable base of operations, that was not subject to some other countries laws or permissions. russia and china have had nukes to counter aircraft carrier groups for decades. i doubt we will ever see a sea to sea battle again between navies because of it.

yea, i do think they are a rather obsolete tech. i am sure the pentagone realizes their days are numbered, even if congress is still in love with their pork barrel spending they involve.

loosing say 5 or 6 carrier groups in the early days of any war, would pretty much end the air craft carrier era like the battle ships came to an abrubt end in wwll.

drones are what the next war will be fought and won with. when isis was able to field drones, or anyone with an amazon account can field drones, you can see pretty clearly where war is going.

chinese and russians have been very keen to add radar bases around the world. they are needed for drones, the same reason the u.s. has so many mini-bases now around the world.
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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by at46 » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:40 pm

admin wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:56 pm
call me when someone actuely sinks a modern aircraft carrier group. but, aircraft carriers were never realy intended to be invincible. they are meant to provide portiable base of operations, that was not subject to some other countries laws or permissions. russia and china have had nukes to counter aircraft carrier groups for decades. i doubt we will ever see a sea to sea battle again between navies because of it.
I think your original point was that Russian military tech is bad because they don't have any actual aircraft carriers. Well, turns out, they don't need any, because they've made them obsolete. As well as the entire US missile defense. The one and only they do have, they probably keep upgrading only to sell those upgrade packages to India and China, both of which bought the same model from Russia. Plus keeping shipyard workers busy is obviously as important in Russia as it is in the US.

As to the methods of the next sea war, I think we're already witnessing it - how many battleships did the US loose to tanker collisions last year? Nato just lost one too - a 500 mln Euro Norwegian baby, apparently, with an American at the helm at the time of collision. Go figure... https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/17/euro ... index.html

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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by Julito » Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:49 pm

I agree on the demise of aircraft carriers. They and the accompanying fleet are all about projecting power. For years now they've had nasty surprises eg. the time years ago a Chinese sub surfaced in the middle of a fleet, just to show they could. Or more recently the now ageing Australian Collins Class sub, widely reported as a dud (which the Oz Navy was very happy to play along with) coming away from a joint exercise with the Yanks with photos from directly under the hull of their aircraft carrier.

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Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:12 am

What is about all this recent sable rattling? if the Russia forces are as inept as everyone who is afraid of them believes, what is the worry? If they are even half marginally effective, what is the point as all evidence shows they are focused on defense of motherland more than offense and projection of power? The neocons have so infected everyone that they may well cause the annihilation of humanity because they at least acknowledge the Russia nukes still work but insist on playing road warrior chicken...and this is logical somehow??? These Russo inepts are behind Assange, Snowden, Trump; caused Killary to lose the election; caused Brexit; and now are responsible for the yellow jackets? Is that next blue capsule a 'lude or cyanide?
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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by at46 » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:22 am

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:12 am
What is about all this recent sable rattling? if the Russia forces are as inept as everyone who is afraid of them believes, what is the worry? If they are even half marginally effective, what is the point as all evidence shows they are focused on defense of motherland more than offense and projection of power? The neocons have so infected everyone that they may well cause the annihilation of humanity because they at least acknowledge the Russia nukes still work but insist on playing road warrior chicken...and this is logical somehow??? These Russo inepts are behind Assange, Snowden, Trump; caused Killary to lose the election; caused Brexit; and now are responsible for the yellow jackets? Is that next blue capsule a 'lude or cyanide?
It's about the economy. Take a look at these 'Words vs. Soundbites' interviews and tell me if it wouldn't be all too convenient for the Western powers that be to stage another 9/11, blaming it on Russia, to trigger a financial reset?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubzMUzO_-YM
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/18/busi ... index.html

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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:16 am

at46 wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:22 am
eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:12 am
What is about all this recent sable rattling? if the Russia forces are as inept as everyone who is afraid of them believes, what is the worry? If they are even half marginally effective, what is the point as all evidence shows they are focused on defense of motherland more than offense and projection of power? The neocons have so infected everyone that they may well cause the annihilation of humanity because they at least acknowledge the Russia nukes still work but insist on playing road warrior chicken...and this is logical somehow??? These Russo inepts are behind Assange, Snowden, Trump; caused Killary to lose the election; caused Brexit; and now are responsible for the yellow jackets? Is that next blue capsule a 'lude or cyanide?
It's about the economy. Take a look at these 'Words vs. Soundbites' interviews and tell me if it wouldn't be all too convenient for the Western powers that be to stage another 9/11, blaming it on Russia, to trigger a financial reset?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubzMUzO_-YM
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/18/busi ... index.html
So the yoda of finance and supposed Ayn Rand follower has come out of the shadows and is making the financial talk show rounds. Yup, that is ominous.
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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by at46 » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:48 am

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:16 am
at46 wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:22 am
eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:12 am
What is about all this recent sable rattling? if the Russia forces are as inept as everyone who is afraid of them believes, what is the worry? If they are even half marginally effective, what is the point as all evidence shows they are focused on defense of motherland more than offense and projection of power? The neocons have so infected everyone that they may well cause the annihilation of humanity because they at least acknowledge the Russia nukes still work but insist on playing road warrior chicken...and this is logical somehow??? These Russo inepts are behind Assange, Snowden, Trump; caused Killary to lose the election; caused Brexit; and now are responsible for the yellow jackets? Is that next blue capsule a 'lude or cyanide?
It's about the economy. Take a look at these 'Words vs. Soundbites' interviews and tell me if it wouldn't be all too convenient for the Western powers that be to stage another 9/11, blaming it on Russia, to trigger a financial reset?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubzMUzO_-YM
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/18/busi ... index.html
So the yoda of finance and supposed Ayn Rand follower has come out of the shadows and is making the financial talk show rounds. Yup, that is ominous.
He's selling his new book, but his message is pretty simple. Stagflation in US and EU for the next 10 to 25 years as the best case scenario. The logical worst case scenario being that this realization obviously pushes some to look for a quick 9/11 type fix with all hell breaking loose. And the new Russian super-weapons may be the only thing preventing that from happening.

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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by admin » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:03 pm

i just chuckle now when i see chile listed as one of the "fragile five". what are we talking? under a hundred billion in debt? much of that in pesos and other none-u.s. debt.

i was just reading an article on chicago's unfunded pension debt that works out to 145,000 dollars in debt per resident. just pensions. nothing else.

somewhere in the comments, some one did the math, with the estimated 300 trillion in unfunded federal debt, that takes most americans to around 650,000 dollars per person owed. assume half of america does not or can not pay taxes, and the debt burden is 1.5 million dollars per tax payer.

keep in mind 10,000 baby boomers a day cross age 65.

so who are the real fragile five?

1. united states

2. u.k.

3. france

4. itialy

5. insert any country here that has a massive unfunded whatever, and a rapidly aging population.


on a side / related note senses beuro in chile came out with a projected population of chile in 2050 of just 21,600,000 people in chile. of course assuming the rest of the world does not move here in the meantime.
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Post by admin » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:33 pm

oh, and let's see if the fed throws a few more trillion in just interest payments on that debt in a few hours.
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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by admin » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:10 am

bloomberg article: latin america votes right but leans left

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... aning-left

mixed feelings about that article. get their point, but in a rather "trivially true" sort of way. in the same way i have always said left and right in chile, and likly most of latin america, does not really map correctly to "left" and "right" in the united states or other regions. most "center right" in latin america are far more left than say what most americans would recognize as being some sort of conservative leaning right. likewise, religiously conservatives can be very left leaning on some issues, and extreme right on others. thus, it is just not a clean mapping or analogy to other political traditions.

especialy the bit about reading protest in chile as somehow pineria's fault. chileans protest everything. it is a national past time, probably more than football. if he told every chilean he was going to gove them a million pesos, some group would go protest it.

if pinera has something to worry about, it is loosing the support of the far right. he never had the far left. the center left was only behind him because bachelet screwed up so bad. he will loose that soft support from the center right and left, if he fails to get more economic reforms through. for instance patching up the reform of the tax reform mess.
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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by admin » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:36 pm

never mind. the west is realy screwed when a couple of toy drones can shutdown airport for days, while the goverment falss all over themselves trying to come up with a solution. what is wrong with the u.k. these days?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12- ... ous-drones

they say they can not use shotguns because it is too dangerious. i'm sorry, but if bird shot can damage anything at an airport, you got bigger problems than drones.
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