Santiago Vehicle Restrictions 2018

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Santiago Vehicle Restrictions 2018

Post by Britkid » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:12 pm

This is a bit different from previous years.

Starting from 2nd May until 31st August some cars will be banned from Santiago inside the Vespucio ring road. However only Monday to Friday 7.30-21.00 and only cars from September 2011 or before.

And each day only cars with one specific last digit are banned, starting with zero last digit on 2nd May. An extra digit can be added on declared emergency days.

More modern cars (2012+) will now always be exempt.

http://www.uoct.cl/restriccion-vehicular/

Seems all a bit silly to me.

In theory 10% of the cars will be banned on a given day. However various vehicles have exemptions (see above link) so call it 5% traffic reduction. But then people will just move some of their planned travel to other day, or share vehicles within family, so that will bring it down to perhaps a 2-3% reduction in traffic. Perhaps 1% reduction across the year when we consider that this is winter only.

So perhaps a 1% reduction to pollution, smog and global warming from cars. Anyone know what the plan is for the other 99%? :lol:

When we factor in that this policy is pushing people towards buying newer vehicles, and the additional cost to the environment of producing a car, it is not even clear where there is any net (global) benefit at all.

It may be fractionally better strategy than praying to the rain gods, but there is not much in it.

The rush hour may be a tiny bit less crap for those who have to put up with it every day.
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Re: Santiago Vehicle Restrictions 2018

Post by Maker42 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:40 pm

Arrogant government imbeciles. Who do they think they are? Government solutions almost always just make things even worse. I'm sure this will be no exception.

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Re: Santiago Vehicle Restrictions 2018

Post by mem » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:34 pm

This really sounds crazy. License plates ending with a certain digit are banned on certain days? Is this for real?

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Re: Santiago Vehicle Restrictions 2018

Post by Donnybrook » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:33 pm

They have been for years. The difference is that this is now being extended to include previously exempt vehicles because of theit age. Bachelet wanted 2 digits per day.

So with 7 days and 0-9 digits the day of the week will shift, right? But, if there is no pre-emergencia and 2 digits are affected, then you should be able to pin down your dates for the month.

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Re: Santiago Vehicle Restrictions 2018

Post by admin » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:24 pm

Well, Bachelet slapped a tax on new cars. Rather than increasing taxes on the cars you want off the road that cause the most pollution, they made cleaner cars more expensive. Also by banning older cars in santiago, they pushed older cars out to the other parts of Chile. So, no they basically did not reduce any pollution. They just shuffled the pollution around.

If Chile was serious, they would tax exempt all electric cars. No IVA, no related bullshit. Not even the socialist however will touch the golden cow of IVA, even for one of their new agenda items.

The old school socialist and communist really have a problem with the environmental movement. They come from old school idea that the environment should be rapped to fund social programs. Now, they are trying to square those ideas with the younger voter blocks that like environment platforms. Why the PS and PC are struggling against the newer leftist parties in Chile to capture younger voters. It is hard to be a workers party, while also being against things like mining and heavy industry. The play book they are using is from the 1920s.
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Re: Santiago Vehicle Restrictions 2018

Post by nwdiver » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:33 pm

mem wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:34 pm
This really sounds crazy. License plates ending with a certain digit are banned on certain days? Is this for real?
Been that way for 20 years or so.........
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Re: Santiago Vehicle Restrictions 2018

Post by nwdiver » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:36 pm

They also are really waffling on the regs for all electric cars and making it hard to import them, they are taxed at Lux rates.....
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Re: Santiago Vehicle Restrictions 2018

Post by Huelshoff » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:47 pm

admin wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:24 pm
The old school socialist and communist really have a problem with the environmental movement. They come from old school idea that the environment should be rapped to fund social programs. Now, they are trying to square those ideas with the younger voter blocks that like environment platforms. Why the PS and PC are struggling against the newer leftist parties in Chile to capture younger voters. It is hard to be a workers party, while also being against things like mining and heavy industry. The play book they are using is from the 1920s.
An old problem in Europe--old line socialist and social democratic parties stuck with their blue collar base and lost young people/environmentalists, etc. The result was an opening for Green and other small parties, and declining vote shares for the traditional leftist parties. Ethnic nationalism has done much the same thing to the conservative parties, and hit the left parties again as they lost some of that blue collar base even as they have tried to appeal to young voters. Who knows--maybe the immigration problems will incite more ethnic nationalism in Chile too. Presidentialism in Chile will probably limit party fragmentation a bit, but you might see some strange coalitions develop, like the so-called Jamaica Coalition that was nearly formed in Germany last year. Pre-election coalition building may get more intense, and more parties will make it into congress (especially if electoral reforms continue).

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Re: Santiago Vehicle Restrictions 2018

Post by Britkid » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:42 pm

Chile seems to be a reasonably tolerant country and welcoming to immigrants on the face of it with some of what some people actually say, but at the same time I'd say developing countries are a bit more racist than developed ones and you do hear people here say some odd things that someone in US/UK would not say (even if they were thinking it). You see a lot of stories about racism in the West but everything any one says is examined and outed for the tiniest bit of racism, whereas Chile isn't like that. There may be something bubbling under the surface that would come out later. As a pragmatic matter, if not an ethical one, it probably makes sense to restrict immigration for a while after the recent fast influx and then slow it down after that. Change is good, but rapid change can be disruptive. Also, the country and even the immigration offices need time to absorb it all.
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Re: Santiago Vehicle Restrictions 2018

Post by admin » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:11 am

Well, on the bright side for those of us that do not need to drive in santiago, the restrictions are pushing deals on cars out to the rest of country. My brother sold me his 2010 toyota fj cruiser last year with 40,000 km on the dial for 10 million pesos. I am kicking around the idea buying a hilux pickup from santiago. You can get ones with similar low km that has never seen a dirt road for under 10 million now.
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Re: Santiago Vehicle Restrictions 2018

Post by Huelshoff » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:56 pm

Could you say a bit more about price differences between Stgo and other areas? I'll be looking to buy a SUV about a year from now when I move to southern Chile. Would you recommend looking in Santiago or somewhere south?

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Re: Santiago Vehicle Restrictions 2018

Post by Britkid » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:06 pm

it seems to be logical that not being able to use a car 1 day our of 7 for a minority of the year ought to only have a small effect on its value. Then again people are not always logical.

A TV report a couple of days ago talked about a 10% price difference on a car, but the media likes to exaggerate for the sake of effect, so it may not have been a typical example.

These price differences, if they are due to the vehicle restrictions, ought to only effect cars made before 2012, and should be irrelevant if you want a newer car.

Even if you want an older car though, the price difference is not likely to be worth the hassle of travelling to Santiago and back, and paperwork etc while over there.

I don't really know for sure though, just a logical guess.

If you are buying a cheap car (3 million say) any price differences won't be enough to worry about. On the other hand if you are going to spend 20 million, further research is probably a good idea.
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