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Re: Fresh milk and farmers cheese

Post by 41southchile » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:01 pm

admin wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:28 pm
Im sorry, but chilean dairy products suck for exactly the same reason they can not make beer: they are dirty and sloppy in the handling of the products.


The dairy industry in chile has very long way to go, and the only ones with a clue about how to run a dairy industry are the new zealanders investing in chile.
Hahaha too true, if most people saw the state and conditions that most Chilean dairy farms operate under they would probably give up eating dairy.
Yeah most NZ investors in dairy in Chile are struggling with the culture here to make their businesses viable, also there have been some rogue managers that have been working for NZ operators that have been stupid and done stupid things here, giving themselves a bad name. Dairy farming in Chile is not for NZers., there are such low margins and ROC as it is ,.unless they want to loose a shot tonne of money they would be well advised to not invest in dairy in Chile.
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Re: Fresh milk and farmers cheese

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:04 pm

Anyone know why the New Zealand cheddar that was sold under Soprole is no longer in Chile? And what is your go to affordable cheddar given this situation?
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Re: Fresh milk and farmers cheese

Post by Space Cat » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:48 pm

41southchile wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:53 pm
Quillayes is not NZ owned, what do you mean uses Powder from NZ? , are you referring to the propaganda put out by Colun which claimed Soprole (which is NZ owned) was using powdered milk from NZ for their milk? Which was a lie that Colun use to their advantage after rumors on the internet claimed this.
Ah, ok, Soprole. But everybody has been talking about it since we arrived here, long before the viral campaign this year (created by the extreme right, by the way). I know a European dairy scientist who is helping COLUN's farms to modernize and she also said that Soprole restores milk from powder imported from NZ.
En la actualidad, uno de cada tres litros que se consume en el mercado local se importó
I doubt that it's imported in a liquid form.

From DF.cl:
5.- Se dice que Soprole, Nestlé y Watt's infringen el reglamento sanitario al echarle leche en polvo a la leche:
Las empresas aludidas afirman que su elaboración cumple a cabalidad lo indicado en el Reglamento Sanitario de los Alimentos del Ministerio de Salud.
So they don't deny that they add the powder..?

In any case, COLUN all the way just because we have enough oligopolies and multinationals already.

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Re: Fresh milk and farmers cheese

Post by 41southchile » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:58 am

Space Cat wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:48 pm
41southchile wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:53 pm
Quillayes is not NZ owned, what do you mean uses Powder from NZ? , are you referring to the propaganda put out by Colun which claimed Soprole (which is NZ owned) was using powdered milk from NZ for their milk? Which was a lie that Colun use to their advantage after rumors on the internet claimed this.
Ah, ok, Soprole. But everybody has been talking about it since we arrived here, long before the viral campaign this year (created by the extreme right, by the way). I know a European dairy scientist who is helping COLUN's farms to modernize and she also said that Soprole restores milk from powder imported from NZ.
En la actualidad, uno de cada tres litros que se consume en el mercado local se importó
I doubt that it's imported in a liquid form.

From DF.cl:
5.- Se dice que Soprole, Nestlé y Watt's infringen el reglamento sanitario al echarle leche en polvo a la leche:
Las empresas aludidas afirman que su elaboración cumple a cabalidad lo indicado en el Reglamento Sanitario de los Alimentos del Ministerio de Salud.
So they don't deny that they add the powder..?

In any case, COLUN all the way just because we have enough oligopolies and multinationals already.
Soprole liquid milk in 1 litre tetra packs comes from Chilean dairy farmers, just because NZ owns the company doesn't mean they bring the milk over from NZ.

There is a triangulation of exporting that NZ does with dairy products which was why there was a lot of NZ cheddar a few years ago, they bring NZ products in under free trade agreements to Chile , and were exporting Chilean products to countries NZ didn't have free trade agreements with within Sth America .

There is some milk powder bought in from NZ for ingredients such as cookie and chocolate manufacturing etc, but this doesn't go to 1 litre milk, mainly because it doesn't make economic sense to do that, NZ farmers were getting paid more than Chilean farmers why would they send it here to get 700 pesos a litre, after all that cost.

Just to make clear any imported Powder goes to higher value add products not crappy 1 litre tetra pak, that milk has always come from the unhygenic Chilean dairy farms, that's why it it is UHT treated to get rid of Bruselosis, Luecosis and Tuberculosis which is still found in Chilean dairy herds, in fact imported reconstituted powdered milk would probably be better for you than the slop you will find in the tetra packs available here.
Also,
"Everyone" also claimed that Douglas Tompkins was a jew trying to set up a new Israel in Patagonia for many years, "Everyone" also claims rhere is a white van outside their local school with Colombians ready to kidnap kids for organ harvesting, the point is there are always so many bullshit stories going around in Chile especially when it comes to foreigners coming from "Everyone" that you should take them with a very small grain of salt.
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Re: Fresh milk and farmers cheese

Post by Space Cat » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:31 am

Got it, thanks!
41southchile wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:58 am
NZ farmers were getting paid more than Chilean farmers why would they send it here to get 700 pesos a litre, after all that cost.
Yes, this was the point she also mentioned: it's cheaper to haul milk powder across the ocean because NZ farms have much higher productivity.

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Re: Fresh milk and farmers cheese

Post by admin » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:55 pm

"Everyone" also claimed that Douglas Tompkins was a jew trying to set up a new Israel in Patagonia for many years, "Everyone" also claims rhere is a white van outside their local school with Colombians ready to kidnap kids for organ harvesting, the point is there are always so many bullshit stories going around in Chile especially when it comes to foreigners coming from "Everyone" that you should take them with a very small grain of salt.
we should have a thread dedicated to crazy rumors chileans like to spread.
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Re: Fresh milk and farmers cheese

Post by 41southchile » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:20 pm

admin wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:55 pm
"Everyone" also claimed that Douglas Tompkins was a jew trying to set up a new Israel in Patagonia for many years, "Everyone" also claims rhere is a white van outside their local school with Colombians ready to kidnap kids for organ harvesting, the point is there are always so many bullshit stories going around in Chile especially when it comes to foreigners coming from "Everyone" that you should take them with a very small grain of salt.
we should have a thread dedicated to crazy rumors chileans like to spread.
Yup, it would be a long thread, there are a lot of them always going around, especially on WhatsApp, I am surprised that often seemingly sensible people seem to forward them on , banking frauds, foreigners, govt, mapuche often seem to be common themes
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Re: Fresh milk and farmers cheese

Post by admin » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:31 pm

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