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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:23 am

i am normaly not a big fan of slippery slope arguments, as they tend to be little more than affirming the consequences falacies; however, in the case of eliminating boarders, holy shit everyone buy a bobsled.

europe is the big experiminent with this, and except for the eu beucrats, i think everyone has pretty much come to the conclusion it is not going well. but they just keep doubling down on the free movement of people. if free movement of people in the eu was not sufficient, invite the rest of the world.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:27 am

so following the latest regardong the venezuela crisis.

u.n., for the last several years has been pushing basicaly the same numbers, over and over again.

finaly they come out with some updated numbers, that still do not pass the smell test. 3 million venezuelans have left, and it will reach about 5.3 million in 2019.

https://www.bradenton.com/news/business ... 07800.html

beuno.

except a harvard study put the number already above 5 million.

here is a great article on the history of the three waves of migration

https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2018/ ... ion-waves/

i have my suspicions the numbers are way higher. are they even counting second generation venezuelans for instance? 18+ years of exhiles tends to lead to a lot of venezuelans being born abroad, and how do you even count and track them? not to mention it is nearly impossible for people to get identification and passports from venezuela.

so we have the u.n. actively under reporting the scope of the crisis. notice how they like to slip in things like "since 2015" or "since 2014", effectively defining away a large portion of the crisis.

it A) indirectly supports the supporters of maduo (china, cuba, russia) and the extreme left of south america B) stops people from being scarred and shocked, thus not undermining the "boarderless world" push around the world.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:29 am

here is an article on the stateless babies of venezuela:

https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2018/ ... nt-crisis/
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:35 am

the health stats are even more disturbing, or more exactly the lack of health stats.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/11/15/ven ... lth-crisis

we got a full blown epidemic(s) on the move tracking the venezuelan migration.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by nwdiver » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:45 pm

The whole "right to migrate" is a euro liberal thing justifying the migration out of Africa.........something the UN can get the majority of members behind as they are the countries supply the flow of migrants.......

The line between migrant and refugee is often blurred and mixed up.......were all the refugees that left Chile to all parts of the world in the 1970s really refugees? Many I have met were economic migrants taking advantage of the system.....
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by at46 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:39 pm

Came across interesting figures, apparently, from the UN: there are 250 mln people in the world today who left their mother/fatherlands to permanently settle in foreign lands in search of better life. That's 3% of the world's population. But what's most poignant is that these 3% produce 10% of the world's output. It's all about brain drain.

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:44 pm

The sound of chickens coming home to roost......

Europe's migration crisis: Could it finish the EU?

Brussels protest over UN migration pact turns violent

Just part of the reaction against "progressive" thinking as handed down by ivory tower elites in the UN etc.

As is this
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:56 pm

And this:
French generals accuse Macron of treason over UN Migration Compact

A group of French military generals have addressed an open letter to President Emmanuel Macron accusing him of “treason” over the adopted UN Global Migration Compact in Marrakesh, Morocco.
The full letter from the French generals has been translated from the original French.

Mister President,

You are about to sign the “Global Compact on Safe, Orderly and Regular Migration” on 10 and 11 December, which establishes a genuine right to migration. It may impose itself on our national legislation through pre-existing treaties or the principle of common responsibility set out in this pact.

It seems to us that the only sovereignty that will remain with France will consist in freely setting the way in which the objectives of the pact will have to be implemented. You can not give up this new part of the national sovereignty without a public debate whereas 80% of the French population considers that it is necessary to stop or regulate drastically the immigration. By deciding alone to sign this pact, you would add an additional reason for revolt to the anger of an already battered people. You would be guilty of a denial of democracy or treason against the nation.

In addition, the finances of our country are drained and our debt is growing. You can not take the risk of an expensive call for air migration without first showing that you will not have to resort to more taxes to meet the objectives of the pact. On the other hand, you must be able, in terms of security, to curb the consequences linked to the arrival of extra-European populations. Finally, you can not ignore that the very essence of politics is to ensure security on the outside and harmony within. However, this concord can be obtained only if it maintains a certain internal coherence of the society alone capable of allowing to want to do together, which becomes more and more problematic today.

In fact, the French state is late in coming to realize the impossibility of integrating too many people, in addition to totally different cultures, who have regrouped in the last forty years in areas that no longer submit to the laws of the Republic.

You can not decide alone to erase our civilizational landmarks and deprive us of our carnal homeland.

We therefore ask you to defer the signing of this pact and call by referendum the French to vote on this document. You are accountable to the French of your actions. Your election is not a blank.

We support the initiative of General MARTINEZ against the signature of this pact which must be adopted by the Member States of the UN at the Intergovernmental Conference of Marrakech.

General Antoine MARTINEZ

Charles MILLON – Former Minister of Defense

General Marc BERTUCCHI

General Philippe CHATENOUD

General André COUSTOU

General Roland DUBOIS

General Daniel GROSMAIRE

General Christian HOUDET

General Michel ISSAVERDENS

Admiral Patrick MARTIN

General Christian PIQUEMAL

General Daniel SCHAEFFER

General Didier TAUZIN

Colonel Jean Louis CHANAS
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by HybridAmbassador » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:07 pm

Japan's Abe regime has passed its "temp migration law" to bringing in foreign workers much needed to supplement its declining birth rate. Japanese young kids does not wanting to commit themselves to working long hours any longer and only interviewing with those future employers if they meet the job applicant requirements! New gen young people just want hard play but NO Trabajo, go figure, changing world vs the hard working generation of yesteryears...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ja ... d3f7e03a44
TOKYO — Japan’s parliament passed an immigration law Saturday that aims to attract 345,000 foreign workers over the next five years, seeking to plug gaps in the country’s rapidly shrinking and aging workforce.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s government forced through the law despite protests from opposition parties that argued the legislation was vague and hastily drawn up. Critics also claim it fails to address the question of social inclusion and rights for foreign workers.

But the law is driven by some inescapable demographic pressures. The fertility rate has fallen to 1.4 children per women, far below the replacement rate of 2.1, while the population is already dropping by about 400,000 people a year.

That places a significant burden on Japan’s economy, with fewer taxpayers and more dependents. The proportion of people over 65 years old has already risen to 28 percent — one of the highest in the world.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by 41southchile » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:37 pm

HybridAmbassador wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:07 pm
Japan's Abe regime has passed its "temp migration law" to bringing in foreign workers much needed to supplement its declining birth rate. Japanese young kids does not wanting to commit themselves to working long hours any longer and only interviewing with those future employers if they meet the job applicant requirements! New gen young people just want hard play but NO Trabajo, go figure, changing world vs the hard working generation of yesteryears...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ja ... d3f7e03a44
TOKYO — Japan’s parliament passed an immigration law Saturday that aims to attract 345,000 foreign workers over the next five years, seeking to plug gaps in the country’s rapidly shrinking and aging workforce.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s government forced through the law despite protests from opposition parties that argued the legislation was vague and hastily drawn up. Critics also claim it fails to address the question of social inclusion and rights for foreign workers.

But the law is driven by some inescapable demographic pressures. The fertility rate has fallen to 1.4 children per women, far below the replacement rate of 2.1, while the population is already dropping by about 400,000 people a year.

That places a significant burden on Japan’s economy, with fewer taxpayers and more dependents. The proportion of people over 65 years old has already risen to 28 percent — one of the highest in the world.
What you posted says it due to falling fertility rate, which is common knowledge, I.hear if current birth rates continue and their was no immigration, Japan's population would be 1 in the year 3000. It seems like the move to a play a little more and don't work yourself to death culture of yesteryear maybe a good thing.
Good on the Japanese youth for looking for a better work life balance, (and Japnese women looking for more rights) for some the changes away from the yesteryear culture may just save their lives.

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by Space Cat » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:48 am

Some Chilean diplomats got caught for issuing over 200 fake student visas in Nepal and India, $7,000-8,000 per visa.

Fiscalía formalizará a dos diplomáticos chilenos por tráfico de migrantes
https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... ntes.shtml

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by at46 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:09 am

Space Cat wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:48 am
Some Chilean diplomats got caught for issuing over 200 fake student visas in Nepal and India, $7,000-8,000 per visa.

Fiscalía formalizará a dos diplomáticos chilenos por tráfico de migrantes
https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... ntes.shtml
For those who don't read Spanish, they didn't just issue fake visas. They actually set up a fake educational establishment in Chile to bring in those fake students. Many of whom later moved on from Chile to the United States. Which kinda makes me think the pressure from the US is the only reason the scheme ever got uncovered at all.

One of the diplomats, while on his previous diplomatic duty in Bolivia, was caught trying to dump some Bolivian imports into Chile.

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