chile's migration crisis

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:00 pm

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Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:55 am
well, at least on the other side of the ledger, 93% of the people applying to take the medical license test are foriegners. a lot of them are venezuelans.
The state system is always short of locally-trained doctors:
Cerca de 1.500 médicos salen del sistema público cada año y los que entran lo hacen en menor cantidad

Some of the comments that accompany that article are quite bitter, (and truthful, as well).

And like most things here, the more you look, the worse it gets:
https://ciperchile.cl/2010/09/27/medico ... -en-chile/
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:07 pm

yea, the sympathy for the Venezuelans are running very thin in chile, even among the far left base.

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... uerte.html

the demands being made by this group of Venezuelans in peru are not helping. this women that had an miscarriage at three months, is blaiming chile, even though she is in peru?

but that was not the only one. i was watching an interview with this group a few weeks ago, and they are demanding jobs from Chile, not just a visa to travel. you are not even in the country yet, and you are demanding rights and services?

yea, there seems to a very serious qualitative diffrence in these recent arrivals from Venezuela. very chaviz socialist type belief they have a right to social services before they even get here, let alone are granted residency or citizenship?

I am sure there is also mpre than a bit of the nieghboring countries are pushing them to move on, rather than hanging around.

I have couple theories for that, and there is probably a combination of both.

this is the poorest, pro-chaviz the longest. to have stayed this long, they were the true believer/ supporters. once the free crap music stopped, they finally left.

the far left in chile, has been promoting this crap in Venezuela; and alk long the route on social media.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:33 am

seeing less and less pro-immigration defenders in these articles.

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... azada.html

someone had an interesting point in one of these comments. If Guiado's opposition goverment is in control of billions of dollars of Venezuela's assets around the world, and are calling on countries to accept and help more venezuelans leaving Venezuela, then why don't they start paying countries to accept venezuelans?

at least cover the costs. It would go a long way to undermining maduro's government too.

however, i suspect that money is already marked for the opposition politicians to fill their pockets of their own cronies.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by snobrd4life » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:27 am

admin wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:33 am
someone had an interesting point in one of these comments. If Guiado's opposition goverment is in control of billions of dollars of Venezuela's assets around the world, and are calling on countries to accept and help more venezuelans leaving Venezuela, then why don't they start paying countries to accept venezuelans?
Is that fund going to pay out until the only people left in Venezuela are Maduro and company?

Besides the obvious humanitarian benefit, it sounds like a ridiculous idea from an investment/reconstruction standpoint as folks emigrating to neighboring countries would have less incentive to return to Venezuela after Maduro.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:23 pm

Until Guaidó et al are formally installed in power, Venezuela's overseas assets won't be handed over to anyone. There's also the question of debt run up by the Maduro regime. All those vulture funds in New York will be looking for their money, as happened with Argentina a few years ago.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by Space Cat » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:40 pm

Emol commenters are a living meme though, there are always lots of "dictadura comunista gay" tier comments. It's the main platform for tios fachos outside of Facebook.

Meanwhile, on the Chilean sub-Reddit a user investigated an immigration scam running online:
https://www.reddit.com/r/chile/comments ... _en_chile/

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:38 pm

Space Cat wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:40 pm
Meanwhile, on the Chilean sub-Reddit a user investigated an immigration scam running online:
Yeah, real quality stuff that "investigation" Is it migrante.com or migrantes.com, the "report" mentions both.
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Migrantes Recursos e información.jpg
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What exactly does the scam consist of?
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by FrankPintor » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:20 pm

If Piñera doesn’t want any more Venezuelans he could come right out and say it, this “democratic responsibility visa” crap is chamullo straight out of “El Cuento del Tío”. Most people realise that now, but when you’re 9 months pregnant, desperate to get to somewhere safe where family or friends are waiting, it’s probably not so clear. This 20 applications processed per day thing is just cynical.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by tiagoabner » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:56 pm

Nah, It would be a PR disaster to say that. The modus operandi is to leave a small stream go through to avoid being labeled as xenophobic.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by FrankPintor » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:08 pm

tiagoabner wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:56 pm
Nah, It would be a PR disaster to say that. The modus operandi is to leave a small stream go through to avoid being labeled as xenophobic.
Really? I’d never have guessed :lol:

Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by tiagoabner » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:02 am

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Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:07 pm
yea, the sympathy for the Venezuelans are running very thin in chile, even among the far left base.

To be fair, the Venezuelan woman who lost her baby was a third-country national outside of Chile's borders. Yes, her final destination was Chile, but that really isn't Chile's problem.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:20 am

tiagoabner wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:02 am
admin wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:07 pm
yea, the sympathy for the Venezuelans are running very thin in chile, even among the far left base.

To be fair, the Venezuelan woman who lost her baby was a third-country national outside of Chile's borders. Yes, her final destination was Chile, but that really isn't Chile's problem.
As terrible as that story is, I simply do not buy it is Chile's responsibility in any way. Look at the statistical probability of any women having a miscarriage in the first few months of a pregnancy, even with access to the best healthcare in the World, it is pretty high. Take that condition on the road, with all the related stresses, lack of health care, etc; good chance even had she made it in to Chile, the results would be the same.
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