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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by nwdiver » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:46 am

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na i think it is a political show more than anything, but at least there has been some organization and control to the chaose the bachelet administration created.

my concern is with the number of HIV and other expensive, hard to treat, medical conditions that were imported. it would be nice to see some stats out of the health authority on the strain to the public health system related to this immigration wave.

one AIDS patient, has got to cost an easy 100,000 to 200,000 dollars a year to treat. basicaly it take the productivity and tax base generated by something like 10 immigrant to make up for the one that will need advanced medical care. that explodes if it is an infectious diese. that is aside from a population coming from countries with no medical system that have had their health neglected. in 10 years, this is all going to go from an immigrant crisis to a public health system crisis, in a public health system that is already stretched thin and prepping for a demographic wave of older chileans to deal with.
I'm a director of a company that distributes generic AIDs meds in South Africa, short of major complications it costs $120-140 per year to maintain an individual.......far lower than 100-200k
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:43 am

yes, if you can keep it in check, the costs have come way down. the problem is the secondary complicatii
ons from a compromised immune system. there was an article i seen (think i linked to it earlier) how something like 80% of the hiv positive haitens in haiti also have multiple drug resistent TB. add to that things like variations of hepitis and so on. even just ho hum numonia, can lead to expensive hospitialization in someone with aids.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by at46 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:56 pm

nwdiver wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:46 am
admin wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:48 pm
na i think it is a political show more than anything, but at least there has been some organization and control to the chaose the bachelet administration created.

my concern is with the number of HIV and other expensive, hard to treat, medical conditions that were imported. it would be nice to see some stats out of the health authority on the strain to the public health system related to this immigration wave.

one AIDS patient, has got to cost an easy 100,000 to 200,000 dollars a year to treat. basicaly it take the productivity and tax base generated by something like 10 immigrant to make up for the one that will need advanced medical care. that explodes if it is an infectious diese. that is aside from a population coming from countries with no medical system that have had their health neglected. in 10 years, this is all going to go from an immigrant crisis to a public health system crisis, in a public health system that is already stretched thin and prepping for a demographic wave of older chileans to deal with.
I'm a director of a company that distributes generic AIDs meds in South Africa, short of major complications it costs $120-140 per year to maintain an individual.......far lower than 100-200k
Interesting. Sorry for unrelated, but what do you think about the Apotex murder? https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/26/canadia ... e-say.html

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:40 am

so here comes the u.n. agreement that makes all migration a human right.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11- ... uman-right

bachelet is right in the thick of it.

there is a not so fine line between freedom of movement, and the continued existence of a sovereign state. once a country starts giving up the right to determine who resides inside its boarders and why, the boarders themselves start making no sense, and so does the government.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by mem » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:55 am

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Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:40 am
so here comes the u.n. agreement that makes all migration a human right.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11- ... uman-right

bachet is right in the thick of it.

there is a not so fine line between freedom of movement, and the continued existence of a soveriegn state. once a country statrs giving up the right to determeni who resides inside its boarders and why, the boarders themselves start making no sense, and so does the goverment.
Ah you beat me to posting this. Apparently it is written by the Mexican and Swiss representative.

I dont think a lot of the countries that are supposedly going to sign it really have read it.
Even though it is non-binding, there is so much of it that is utterly impractical to say nothing of the issues of national sovereignty infringement.
It really seems like they are trying to freight train this through.

I just can't believe that Pinera is going to allow Chile to sign this. Has anyone seen anything in the Chilean press about this?

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:02 pm

yea, I like how the article points out the Swiss are pushing it, but have one of the most restrictive immigration policies in the world.

Everyone in the Chilean media is focused on the Haitians returning to Haiti, and debating how racist it is or is not; to the point the whole conversation is stupidly blatantly racist.

Again, the very fact that Chile is having this conversation is racist. There is no big bla, bla, bla in the media about all the Venezuelans (FYI, Chile did its first return flight of Venezuelans, but that got little mention in the news), the Colombians, the Peruvians, etc. It is straight up debate about how dark the skin is of the people that came; but, they don't see that.

The irony, is the media is just full of the left falling over themselves claiming they are not racists, Chile is not racist, etc, etc, while totally making the hole conversation around "immigration" about the Haitians. They are using the words "immigration" and "Haiten", almost interchangeably, on both the left and the right. Chile is so racists, they don't even recognize their racism.

There was no "immigration crisis" in Chile, until there was "(black) immigration crisis".

Unfortunately, and further evidence of the racism involve, the hole topic of immigration reform has started to slip out of the political / news conversation cycle, now that the "immigration crisis" (i.e. the [black] immigration crisis) is under control. Rather than taking the opportunity to organize and update the whole immigration system, the can is just going to get kicked down the road. Immigration system in Chile is still very broken and out of date. It is not prepared in anyway to handle the numbers that have come, or will be coming. The "crisis" did not end, it is just being ignored for a while; until, something else happens to catch the attention of the media.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by mem » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:40 am

Chilean air force is air lifting stranded Chileans OUT of Venezuela. Wow, good on Chile

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/arti ... -in-crisis

Surprised it took these 200 this long, when we first got to Chile in mid 2015 there already Venezuelans coming to Chile on student/whatever visas because they could read the writing on the wall and want to build a life outside of VZ while they still had the freedom to do so

I guess these chileans can't buy a ticket on a commercial airplane because of the hyperinflation and all they have are bolivars? No CLP or USD

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by 41southchile » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:36 am

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Again, the very fact that Chile is having this conversation is racist. There is no big bla, bla, bla in the media about all the Venezuelans (FYI, Chile did its first return flight of Venezuelans, but that got little mention in the news),
Wasn't that Maduro organising those fights? To bring Venezuelans back as a PR stunt? Of the half million or so here here 103 applied to go back, not a great validation of his socialist utopia it seems.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by 41southchile » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:42 am

Sorry 89 Venezuelans

Caracas, 12 nov (PL) El canciller de Venezuela, Jorge Arreaza, anunció hoy la llegada al país del primer vuelo con connacionales repatriados desde Chile gracias al programa gubernamental Vuelta a la Patria, establecido por el presidente Nicolás Maduro.

A través de su cuenta en Twitter, el diplomático confirmó la llegada del grupo de 89 venezolanos, quienes solicitaron su ingreso voluntario a la iniciativa y denunciaron discriminación y frustraciones desde la vecina nación
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:51 pm

a few years ago or so I seen some articles on Chileans that had returned to Chile and how their pensions stopped being paid. They had worked for years in Venezuela, and had earned a Venezuela pension, and just out of the blue one day the checks stopped arriving.

Moral to that story, careful who the counter party risk is on your retirement savings. They are not the first government, nor will they be the last, to stiff people in retirement due to the pyramid scheme they are built on. I suspect in the coming decades, we will see a whole lot more governments pull a Venezuela as the government pyramid schemes collapse.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:31 pm

Yeah, I wonder about the comfy US expats of the older baby boom or earlier era living off of SS. Won't be pretty. Might have to do a future airlift to the Empire in the midst of collapse and civil war.
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