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Re: The Trump Administration

Post by bert.douglas » Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:23 pm

From discussions, I don't think the CNN story is an accurate characterization of the ruling, which was narrowly drawn and does not touch on the constitutional question. A judge may write pages and pages on how the constitution supports his decision. Then when you read the final paragraph, which contains the actual decision, you find it does not refer to the constitution at all. In general, judges avoid making decisions based on the constitution unless really backed into a corner. And in general, it is difficult to quash a subpoena. The legal system is biased towards unlimited "discovery", or gathering of all possible information, even if barely related or not relevant.

The constitutional question will only be reached when someone who is convicted files an appeal.

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Re: The Trump Administration

Post by frozen-north » Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:44 pm

bert.douglas wrote:
From discussions, I don't think the CNN story is an accurate characterization of the ruling, which was narrowly drawn and does not touch on the constitutional question.
What ruling?? The one mentioned in the CNN article? That ruling clearly seems to reject the argument of unconstitutionality presented by 'the witness'.
Howell resoundingly rejected an attempt by Andrew Miller, a former associate of Trump confidante Roger Stone, to quash a subpoena to testify, explaining why the "scope of the Special Counsel's power falls well within the boundaries the Constitution permits."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/04/politics ... index.html
And by the way, the link you posted to The Hill says:

Robert Mueller is, instead, at best an employee and, under Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1 (1976) https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federa ... /case.html, employees cannot deprive citizens of life, liberty, or property ...

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/39 ... al-counsel
That case is about 'limits on campaign expenditures' and seems to be completely unrelated to the topic. Is The Hill usually this incompetent?

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Re: The Trump Administration

Post by mem » Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:09 am

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Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:30 pm
The House impeaches, and the Senate convicts. So it is well within the realm of possibility that Pumpkinhead will be impeached, just like Clinton was, and for far more serious offenses. Will the Senate convict? Probably not, because the Republicans in the Senate will put party before country. Again. One might imagine that the evidence will be so overwhelming that the Senators have very little choice but to convict, and many of them would happily do so if public opinion against that prick in the Oval Office gains enough momentum. But at this point it's doubtful.

The legal liability for Mr ADHD, and possibly his family members, will be greatest in 2021, when the issues of prosecuting a sitting a president and presidential pardons are off the table. It isn't hard to imagine subpoenas being issued the very hour a new president is sworn in. Between now and then, political punishment for the Reds will suffice. The legal punishment can wait.

As for the regulations...yes, they are being re-written, and they will be re-written again following the 2020 election. The CEOs know this. Their long term planning doesn't include this radical, temporary lurch to the right. A real pro-business platform would take into account the importance of stability.....but we have a disruptor in the Oval Office...so it's a bit incongruous to create so much instability and uncertainty while claiming to be "pro-business". It's really all about Pumpkinhead's ego, and it always has been.
I have to point out that we had a similar situation with Hillary Clinton. Even after the threats to jail her by candidate trump and with no constraint of her sitting in any position or even running for president post election.

She is still as free as a bird, not even a slap on the wrist. Even with all those scumbags refusing to testify before trey gowdy/Congress as they smirkingly took the 5th to every question including what they had for breakfast.
It's just really hard to see Trump going down hard when Hillary didnt even get scratched with all the stuff that came down on her from when she was secretary of state and after

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Re: The Trump Administration

Post by El Zorro » Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:15 pm

nwdiver wrote:
Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:02 pm
I think enaugh republican senators are pissed and want a do over (even if it hurts now) so a conviction is possible from the senate, count how many republican senators he has pissed off.......most of them.....
It may not be that clear cut. Most of the Republican senators (and representatives) may be pissed off with Trump, but they do no operate in a vacuum. They are beholden to their constituents. It is the so-called “base” that determines what’s going to happen. If the “base” gets fed up with Trump, that will be the end of him. Otherwise, he may be able to get away with murder.

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Re: The Trump Administration

Post by admin » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:19 am

So yesterday, this letter in the New york times by a high ranking officcial in the white house claiming they are part of a resistance movement countering trump's craziness lit a fire under the debate about the fitness of Trump to be president:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opin ... tance.html


Now, the great debate is what this means.

We have a flood of articles such of this ranging from ' is this a constitutional crisis ' to out right discussion if this being a (soft) coup.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/569443/
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Re: The Trump Administration

Post by admin » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:43 am

So i am trying to sort out the significance of this. There are a few options of how to read this:

A) this is totaly true
We have a cabal of unelected officials, defying the president, running the executive branch of the u.s. goverment. They will not invoke the 25th, and congress will not start impeachment hearings.

In short there is a soft coup, with a whole lot of former generals to in charge on top of it.

B) this is totaly false

Trump is still in control, has a plan, is completly rational, and fit for his job. Subplot spoiler: that the official does not work at the white house vs. Does but does not matter or is just not true anyway.

Now the preponderance of the evidence is he is not fit for office, but it is still a possibility and may simply be a point of view as to what someone might call 'fit'. Which in an democracy, is totaly healthy. I did not think Bush junior was fit for office.

Which, sort of leaves us questioning how in control of his white house he is, assuming this person does work at the white house.

But, Trump himself then proceeded to demand that the new york times turn in the author on national security grounds. All those republican and dems that called for the head of snowden, might now need to revisit their part in this. However, this letter, does not constitute a crime nor does it disclose any classified info. So, the next shoe to drop is will trump try to force this.

His reaction, probably will determine just how true this letter turns out to be. He has already made multiple moves to silence press and companies that own them, just not tertibly effective (e.g. att merger).

The truly creepy thing was this all happened in the shadow of congressional hearings over essentially how the largest communication companies in history were going to do more to sensor free speech on their platforms in one room, and the confirmation of what is shaping up to be an ultra conservative supreme court nominiee in another room.
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Re: The Trump Administration

Post by cali_chile48 » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:34 am

Yes, we can call it a soft coup. Thankfully there are a few people who are willing and able to negate the very worst impulses of the attention-deficit-ignorant-whiney-vindictive-New York-playboy jerk in the White House. John Kelly, et al are in fact doing a tremendous service to the republic. That has been obvious for some time.

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Re: The Trump Administration

Post by admin » Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:44 pm

cali_chile48 wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:34 am
Yes, we can call it a soft coup. Thankfully there are a few people who are willing and able to negate the very worst impulses of the attention-deficit-ignorant-whiney-vindictive-New York-playboy jerk in the White House. John Kelly, et al are in fact doing a tremendous service to the republic. That has been obvious for some time.
Yea, of all the armed services I think I would prefer to run the white house it would be the Marines (my father was a marine); however, as the saying goes, marines are like hammers, and to hammers everything looks like a nail (or something along those lines). In fact, it was such a marine culture thing, my father use to get nervous every time they sent in the marines (e.g. gulf I, II, Afghanistan, etc). They are kind of designed to break things by definition. The Marines don't end wars, they start them. They are an invasion force (vs. the army that is an occupying force).

There is a story circulating about how Mattis has already repeatedly ignored taking action on Trump's rants that ordered military action, including assassinating Syria's al-Assad after the last chemical attack. Instead he made a smaller surgical strike to entertain the toddler in the oval office. Had he followed through, we (the World) could have very well been up to our eye-balls in WWIII in the middle east. Iran, Russia, Israel, Turkey, Kurds, street dogs, cats, all would have gone all in.

Still, we can end-up with either a massive over reactions; and, given the circumstances, a possibly massive under reaction (where it becomes too late to fix the problem).
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