The Chile Economy, Social Crisis and Virus Impact

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Re: The Chile Economy, Social Crisis and Virus Impact

Post by Jamers41 » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:08 pm

I don't think the Communists in Chile are nearly as powerful nor omnipresent as you do. If I did, I would have left Chile by now and I would probably not be the only one to do so. Yes I'm familiar with the gist of their ideology and how they try to take advantage of events such as the civil unrest to further their goals. And I'm aware that such groups of radicals exist here. Apparently you don't believe the multiple surveys here that suggest that even of majority of those who voted for Piñera have been in favor of a pension fund withdrawal because it prevents them from getting into deeper debt......having a better retirement is great but somewhat abstract and far away in the face of the immediate need to maintain your house or car now after being unemployed for several months in a row, losing that can set you back financially for years. I suppose we can agree to disagree.

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Re: The Chile Economy, Social Crisis and Virus Impact

Post by admin » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:05 pm

Jamers41 wrote:
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I don't think the Communists in Chile are nearly as powerful nor omnipresent as you do. If I did, I would have left Chile by now and I would probably not be the only one to do so. Yes I'm familiar with the gist of their ideology and how they try to take advantage of events such as the civil unrest to further their goals. And I'm aware that such groups of radicals exist here. Apparently you don't believe the multiple surveys here that suggest that even of majority of those who voted for Piñera have been in favor of a pension fund withdrawal because it prevents them from getting into deeper debt......having a better retirement is great but somewhat abstract and far away in the face of the immediate need to maintain your house or car now after being unemployed for several months in a row, losing that can set you back financially for years. I suppose we can agree to disagree.
That is exactly why the 'communist' parties in Chile are so dangerous.

If they don't change the rules, change the party names, swap parties, change the constitution, they can not hang on to their sliver of power.

who brought them back?

Bachelet, when she expanded the size of Congress, added a new region, invited them in to her administration?

when I say "communist", I am not talking about the geriatric bunch of idiots that is the official PC in Chile.

I am talking about all the guys hiding under party names all the way from Chile Vamos, to FA, Socialist party. The parties just keep swapping names, and those politicians shuffle from one brand to the next, as soon as they wear out their welcome with the electorate. but at the core of all of them is a consistent bunch of hard core, true believers, koolaid drinking, bunch of people that if they don't really believe in marxists style socialism, at least believe in its route to power.

supporting them is a massive body of young drones spouting half-digested and regurgitated neo-marxist slogans such as "neo-liberal capitalism", "solidarity", etc, etc.

Try to gently challenge any of them on what they think that means, and it will be followed by more meaningless gibberish because they have no clue about any of the underlying history, political science, economics, philosophy.

In all my years in Chile, I have never, once, been able to get one of them to articulate an even semi-coherent political philosophy to explain what it is they are parroting.

It was not for lack of trying either. I have tried for years to engage friends and acquaintances, young and old, in to debates and conversations about whatever neo-marxist (again trying to be generous here) slogan they are chanting. Describing it as 'socialist' or 'marxist' is not even correct, but as close as I can get, in the sense that even chaos is an ordered system. As flawed as Marxism is, often what they are parroting is so far from Marxism that it is almost not fair to Marxism. perhaps a better way to put it is, they will use the language of Marx without actually understanding the terms or source.

I am fully willing to apply the principle of charity, to hear out their arguments and perspective on why they believe what they believe, because even if I don't believe in it is at least intellectually interesting from an anthropological perspective.

The best I have ever found was few spouting some slogans in some sort of what could generously be called a circular argument. If you scratch that surface, there is very little depth to that paint job.
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Re: The Chile Economy, Social Crisis and Virus Impact

Post by admin » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:09 am

so good / bad news.

chile's economic activity dropped only 12.4% thanks to miners, which as bad as that sounds was better than the 15 to 25% that was predicted. The copper price spike, and drop in oil, is keeping a floor under Chile's economy.

https://www.df.cl/noticias/economia-y-p ... 75754.html
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Re: The Chile Economy, Social Crisis and Virus Impact

Post by admin » Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:23 pm

so, there is a real possibility that if this constitutional vote moves forward in October, the courts may invalidate it.

Basically it is legally impossible to restrict anyone from voting, and / or suppress their right to vote, under the current health emergency.

just a few issues there is no solution to:

1. people have to travel, often from one region to another, to vote where they are registered. for example, say you are from puerto montt (currently under quarantine), and work in Santiago. You have to travel back to puerto montt, completing a 14 day quarterine.

2. high risk people, and older people. Are they suppose to risk their life to go vote? the left is super happy with that as old people tend to support the no vote. The left has also introduced a bill to try and give 16 year olds the right to vote.

3. so far, the idea of spreading the vote over two or more days is impossible because there is simply no way to secure the ballots overnight.

4. what about people with covid positive and active? the government can not legally deny them the right to vote.

5. they are saying that older people will be exempt from acting as vocals de mesa, but that is also unconstitutional.

6. what about chileans outside of Chile that are under quarantine or other restrictions and can not reach a consulate to vote?

on and on and on, and all of above are grounds to invalidate the election taking a constitutional crisis and turning it into an even bigger constitutional crisis (if that is possible).
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Re: The Chile Economy, Social Crisis and Virus Impact

Post by admin » Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:37 pm

today's press conference the minister of health admitted there was no plan for the election and they are going to have a meeting next week about it.

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... vid19.html

90 days before?
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Re: The Chile Economy, Social Crisis and Virus Impact

Post by El Presidente » Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:30 am

So far about 7 million people have requested the 10% withdrawal from their AFPs and they are reporting about a 5% rejection rate. One of those rejected was my wife because her carnet was expired. But wait I hear you ask, didn´t they change the law to automatically extend all carnets that expire during 2020 for one more year?? Why yes, yes they did. But why would I expect the AFPs to respect the law of the land...

Here is the decreto for anyone interested: https://www.bcn.cl/leychile/navegar?idNorma=1143652

The relevant section:
Decreto:


1°.- Extiéndase por el plazo de un año a contar de la fecha de su vencimiento, la vigencia de todas las cédulas de identidad para chilenos que expiren durante el año 2020.
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Re: The Chile Economy, Social Crisis and Virus Impact

Post by 41southchile » Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:27 pm

El Presidente wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:30 am
So far about 7 million people have requested the 10% withdrawal from their AFPs and they are reporting about a 5% rejection rate. One of those rejected was my wife because her carnet was expired. But wait I hear you ask, didn´t they change the law to automatically extend all carnets that expire during 2020 for one more year?? Why yes, yes they did. But why would I expect the AFPs to respect the law of the land...

Here is the decreto for anyone interested: https://www.bcn.cl/leychile/navegar?idNorma=1143652

The relevant section:
Decreto:


1°.- Extiéndase por el plazo de un año a contar de la fecha de su vencimiento, la vigencia de todas las cédulas de identidad para chilenos que expiren durante el año 2020.
Sounds about right, here's an article from Latercera.
Yes I too would expect AFPs to respect the law of the land ....but then I would expect Agroindustrialists, banks, mining companies, Isapres, retailers et.al to respect the law of the land too. But my expectations have clearly been set to high when it comes to most things I guess :roll:

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Re: The Chile Economy, Social Crisis and Virus Impact

Post by drunken days » Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:09 pm

El Tabo.
Here we go.
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Re: The Chile Economy, Social Crisis and Virus Impact

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:05 pm

drunken days wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:09 pm
El Tabo.
Here we go.
Recommended reading.

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... dios.shtml
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Re: The Chile Economy, Social Crisis and Virus Impact

Post by admin » Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:45 pm

yea there was a rash of robberies in frutillar in the first month or two of this pandemic.

I guess the moron robbers from osorno and peurto montt seem to think all these houses in frutillar are vacation homes. perhaps 10 years ago, now most are occupied year around.

we had a few strange cars come in to our community, that were given a very unwelcome welcome. We have an active senior officer in the PDI that is the first house in the community, three retired generals and colonels from the carbinareios, a couple retired airforce officer. They all have guns. probably a lot of guns.

In our little far corner of the community, we have 5 large to medium size dogs that don't take kindly to strangers, and then I recently added a german sheppard /collie mix to our security patrol, that has a policy of pinning unknown people in their car until called off.

Not like that is a big deal. we have 4 houses right next to each other (like 10 to 20+ adaults with nowhere to be right now), another friend is building a house up the road to make it 5 in a row (plus two more large dogs). All are either family or close friends (like standing invitation to my Thanksgiving dinner). so anything that sets-off the dogs in the neighborhood gets the instant attention of everyone.

It is like radar now. I can sit in my bed, not even be able to hear my neighbors dogs over 2 kilometers away go off on a strange car, it sets off a chain reaction of dogs across the community, our dogs outside go off, then the dogs at the foot of my bed lets me know it is something worth checking out. By the time I get outside, every light in the community is on, and my neighbors are outside. by that point some beat up piece of shit car is hauling ass out of the community (last one nearly rolled their vehical trying to get out on a particular tricky part of our road), and photos of the driver and plate is being circulated on our community whatsapp channel.

strange car traffic has since gone to zero. for months. Now that PM is quarterine, that should help keep the ladrones contained inside a military checkpoints.

I wonder if the government will issue a bono for all the unemployed thievies. :lol:
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Re: The Chile Economy, Social Crisis and Virus Impact

Post by admin » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:27 am

well, it happened.

TVN has lines of people buying big screen TVs and other junk with there AFP.

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How much of the price of a big screen TV do you think stays inside the chilean economy?

easy come easy go.
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Re: The Chile Economy, Social Crisis and Virus Impact

Post by admin » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:32 am

funny story.

There is a rush to the courts to collect unpaid child support, from fathers that are deadbeats and request their 10% AFP. In fact I believe there were almost 200,000 cases last I seen.

well, in the infinite goverment beucratic wisdom, the courts are seizing the money of the attorney's that filed the actions or were involved in the cases because their RUT and name appears in the court filings.
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