State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by tiagoabner » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:44 am

41southchile wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:20 am
admin wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:01 am
cali_chile48 wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:00 am
Question: Do the security forces (PDI) have the ability to read text messages, wassup, Facebook, etc?
yep
Isn't WhatsApp supposed to be encrypted or is that just bullshit? They still have to go through Facebook and get a warrant dont they? Wasn't there some controversy in Brazil not that long ago and Facebook wouldn't hand over the whatsapp records ? I dont imagine it would be a straight forward process unless, if it was say directly linked to a murder for example wouldbe more straightforward, general surveillance I doubt, knowing the big tech companies.
WhatsApp is encrypted. However, you don't need to break their encryption: you only need to get access to one of the devices involved in the chat. Encryption just makes it so that the messages can't be intercepted in transit, but the end points are still vulnerable.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by 41southchile » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:52 am

Yeah I guess I was being naive, everything digital is able to be monitored and can be accessed 🤔
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by Badbadbad » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:14 am

I mean if they can access FB and whatsapp and all that stuff why not suspend them in the first place? I mean they willing to go as far as putting Military on the street, Shutting down FB and Whatsapp and other social media is much easier to control the situation now as most of the call for gathering is done via whatsapp and other social medias.

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by tiagoabner » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:15 am

Badbadbad wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:14 am
I mean if they can access FB and whatsapp and all that stuff why not suspend them in the first place? I mean they willing to go as far as putting Military on the street, Shutting down FB and Whatsapp and other social media is much easier to control the situation now as most of the call for gathering is done via whatsapp and other social medias.
They'll jump to the next messaging app right away. There are dozens of them. When WhatsApp was blocked in Brazil, most people started to use Telegram while it was down.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by mem » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:18 am

Signal is a better app to use if you want a message encrypted. Same app Snowden used

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by lost gringo » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:40 pm

mem wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:18 am
Signal is a better app to use if you want a message encrypted. Same app Snowden used
Yes, and as a bonus it's not owned by Zuckerberg
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by scandinavian » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:49 pm

Blocking social media would affect both the peaceful and the violent protests and is thus not viable. Listen to anybody from government- they all emphasize the importance and legitimacy of the peaceful demonstrations. Of course they cannot block their means of communication

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by Space Cat » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:57 pm

Badbadbad wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:14 am
I mean if they can access FB and whatsapp and all that stuff why not suspend them in the first place? I mean they willing to go as far as putting Military on the street, Shutting down FB and Whatsapp and other social media is much easier to control the situation now as most of the call for gathering is done via whatsapp and other social medias.
Because this would be the last thing this government does.

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by Britkid » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:58 pm

Shutting down whatsapp or facebook in their entirety (rather than specific groups) is an extremely bad idea. Some people perceive that TV is controlled by the establishment and facebook is the only truth. Shutting down FB would stoke that narrative and immediately incite a much higher level of protests and riots.

The teenager riots would go up a level.

It's also not ethical justifiable, and would impact many people, for example the people using facebook and whatsapp to organize with their neighbours to protect against thieves and other things.

Shutting it down would also be a big and negative story in the international media and damage Chile's reputation and economy as much as the riots.

Facebook is also a part of the Chilean economy as is whatsapp. Shutting it down would really f*** up a lot of small and mid size businesses that nearly all don't have their own website.

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by Space Cat » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:05 pm

New poll results are out, they answer most questions about the public perception of the protests and the government between different age and income groups.

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by 41southchile » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:19 pm

Britkid wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:58 pm
Some people perceive that TV is controlled by the establishment and facebook is the only truth.

And there in lies the problem for the whole world, that's why some people say it is now impossible to truly hold a free democratic election anymore. What Zuckerberg and Tim Apple 🤣 Mr Bezos and all the others are all out to free and enlighten society now and are not part of the establishment? 🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Remember back in the day when the sci fi futurist types said we will all have chips in our bodies in the future to control and track us? Well they didn't need to forecibly insert them did they? , we willingly carry them around with us and hand over all our information to these corporations, while rallying against the establishment and the machine. 🤣. Well played on their part I guess.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by Space Cat » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:21 pm

TV channels brought it on themselves by self-censorship, even publicly-financed TVN does it. Radio has much more trust according to various polls.

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