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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by tiagoabner » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:30 am

My thoughts as well. I'm not happy that she lost her baby, and that's a terrible story. But it's not like she couldn't go after healthcare in Peru.

This reminds me of a story I heard some time ago about asylum seekers in Europe that was showing them how many of them were actually trying to use it as a loophole to immigrate. Well, Chile isn't exactly close to Venezuela. Whoever is coming here is looking to immigrate, not to get asylum.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:15 am

This article analyses the issue, with an explanation of why Venezuelans prefer moving on to Chile rather than staying in Peru or Colombia.

Quienes han seguido el tema, ven cómo se va moviendo la población migrante en busca de mejores oportunidades. De ahí que muchos de los venezolanos que desean hoy ingresar a Chile, no vienen directamente saliendo de Venezuela, sino que han estado establecidos en Perú y ahora viajan más al sur por los mayores beneficios que entrega el sistema chileno.

Including higher wages.

Mass immigration provokes a negative reaction wherever and however it happens, even when done in an organized fashion. The Social Engineering tinkerers in the UN and elsewhere have a lot to answer for, they started it all. Their previous experiment, Multiculturalism, isn't much heard of these days. My theory is than Homo Sapiens is a territorial animal at an instinctual level, altruistic behaviour only goes so far.

Its interesting to speculate what the outcome would be here if the government proposed raising IVA to 20% in order to meet the increased demands on the state care system caused by an influx of economic refugees.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by copfish » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:23 pm

With about 16 million Chileans any mass migration in Chile is going to have an effect that the engineers will be insulated from. And I had always thought Chile was better organized with its immigration. Then again with Bachelet and Penera the revolving presidents who represent who?

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Post by admin » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:45 pm

tiagoabner wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:30 am
My thoughts as well. I'm not happy that she lost her baby, and that's a terrible story. But it's not like she couldn't go after healthcare in Peru.

This reminds me of a story I heard some time ago about asylum seekers in Europe that was showing them how many of them were actually trying to use it as a loophole to immigrate. Well, Chile isn't exactly close to Venezuela. Whoever is coming here is looking to immigrate, not to get asylum.
i was reading this article a while back about the immigration " crisis" in the u.s.and there was a chilean seeking asylum in the u.s.

guess what her reason was?

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by tiagoabner » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:15 pm

But Chilean (and Singaporean) citizens can apply for a separate H1B lottery. It's not like there isn't a way for her to get in. Gah!
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Post by admin » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:34 pm

tiagoabner wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:15 pm
But Chilean (and Singaporean) citizens can apply for a separate H1B lottery. It's not like there isn't a way for her to get in. Gah!
I kept thinking, if that is a reason for receiving asylum, what are all those people in California going to go when the big one hits. :lol:

They will probably all try to claim asylum in Chile, due to the crappy disaster support of FEMA in the United States. :roll:
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:58 pm

yea, this is a bit worrying, but not surprising.

here is an article about entel cutting some employees, that really has nothing to do with immigration. the comments under the article however are blaiming it on immigrants.


https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/eco ... anta.shtml
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by GAminer » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:40 am

There was a haitian driving the micro in ñuñoa today, he did a much better than your typical chilean maniac driver.

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by 41southchile » Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:06 am

GAminer wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:40 am
There was a haitian driving the micro in ñuñoa today, he did a much better than your typical chilean maniac driver.
I am sure he did. What is that Chilean workers in general that just makes them not give a shit or have any pride in what they do? Are they all doing things they hate, that's why they are miserable or inept? I have met a few Chileans along they way that really love their job and do it well (but it's the minority, the doing it well part, there's those that suck , but think they are doing a great job but that's another issue) what a sad situation. To be bitter and resenting your job or employer must be really depressing, no wonder Chile is at the top of the table for of the vices (drugs /alcohol) and mental health issues such as depression is not exactly great. Something in Chile is not right with they way people are living and the life choices people are making that make them so miserable in something they spend most of their waking lives doing.
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Post by admin » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:00 pm

well here is the 'migration associations' holding a march:

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... ierno.html

FYI, the government is allowing another 90 day extension to complete the amnesty process, their major demand.

however the comments under the articles are getting really nasty.

chileans are rapidly reaching their limit with the immigrant mess.

If you have seen this type of political shit show before, then you know what comes next: violence against immigrants.

unfortunately, in a population this homogeneous and historically isolated, it will brobably be the black immigrants that take the brunt of the aggression, simply because they are easy to spot.

well done bachelet. you have given your communist and socialist comrades exactly what they want: violent social conflict.

the really worrying thing is, chile has never really has to deal with racial conflict on any scale, except perhaps the mapuche conflict, and it has never got a handle on that conflict. the laws, courts, police, government ministries, etc are simply not geared for dealing with that. look at any country with a history of major ethnic conflicts, there was a heavy and tragic learning curve that went with getting a 'handle' on it; if you even want to call it that.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:13 pm

Wasn't there a conflict with the Korean immigrants back in the 90s which even led some to be deported before more peace evolved and their kids became more or less "chileno" mainstream?

Anyways, this conflict is exactly what I feared and I voiced those concerns more than once on multiple threads regarding this mass illegal immigration a couple years back when people started noticing.

So given the Haitians are living in the flaite comunas of Santiasco bumping shoulders with chilenos who are not the best example to imitate and given the discrimination and bullying going on, the next step is for gangs to develop especially among their kids many of who will officially be born "chileno".

So yeah, black gangs in Chile is probably a done deal.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:36 pm

41southchile wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:06 am
To be bitter and resenting your job or employer must be really depressing, no wonder Chile is at the top of the table for of the vices (drugs /alcohol) and mental health issues such as depression is not exactly great. Something in Chile is not right with they way people are living and the life choices people are making that make them so miserable in something they spend most of their waking lives doing.
I have seen the same thing for forty years now. If I had to find a reason, I would say its a self-absorbed, win-at all-costs mentality. If you despise those you consider as "inferiors" and hate and envy your "superiors", it makes for a very frustrating existence. This happens everywhere of course, but here these traits seem unusually noticeable.

And that don't-give-a-shit about anyone-else attitude may explain why there are so many asshole drivers here...
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