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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:44 pm

Once more take the time to actually read the stuff you quote, and try joining up the dots....

Residents are eligible to apply for subsidized housing 5 years after they obtain Permanent Residence. How long from date of entry does it take to obtain permanent residence these days? In my case it took 5 years. So to be eligible now, I would had to have entered no later than 2009, yes?

But at that time Venezuelans were still living in Chávez's paradise, with no intentions of fleeing the country.
In that article you quoted, the earliest statistic is from 2010, and shows just 758 visas issued that year.

So the 288.233 figure you quote is complete rubbish. For a start the graph just shows the number of visas issued, not the number of actual residents. And newcomers are still mostly not eligible - yet. And the ones who were in-country before then have presumably found their own accommodation if they have been here for that long, (and are still here) and were probably not economic refugees either. Does this figure include persons who entered illegally, and who later regularized their situation?
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And since you are bandying statistics around, what is the percentage takeup of subsidies within the eligible native population? As Admin already mentioned, there are all sorts of qualifications attached to them.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by at46 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:37 pm

According to the article, 24 housing subsidies is the total number ever issued to Venezuelans so far. I find it hard to match with their visa numbers - they obviously didn't just start coming in 2010. And, yeah, it would be nice to compare with take up among the natives, but I've got no such data. Except anecdotal evidence of whole buildings being sold with subsidies. Since the subsidy requires the person to take on debt, and given how indebted the natives already are, it would seem not many actually qualify. Which would mean there should be more Venezuelans, provided there's equal access.

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Post by admin » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:29 pm

i have the sneaky suspicion, like many stats in chile, by the time someone qualifies they are a citizen and the databases dont even register where they are from originally.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by tiagoabner » Sat May 25, 2019 10:56 pm

https://www.eldinamo.cl/nacional/2019/0 ... detenidas/

It seems that a large immigration scheme was busted today. It allegedly involved an ex-governor and an ex-mayor, and the Chinese immigrants were paying USD $5000 each, for a total of over ten million. Thoughts?
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Post by admin » Sun May 26, 2019 9:54 am

here is some better coverage:

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... nores.html

that is like the third prosecution of a group of government officials from the left and bachelet for corruption related to immigration. but as you see from the comments in those articles everyone is demanding prosecution for the hundreds of thousands of haitiens.

the irony with the Chinese cases, Chinese citizens really have no problem immigrating to chile if they can comply with the other general requirements of immigration. so, basicaly these slimballs were just ripping off poor chinese.

we dont charge anywhere neer $5000 u.s. to our chinese clients to do immigration legally and by the book, and have zero rejections so far.

sounds like these guys were flying them in to Argentina to then sneak them over the boarder. why would you do that?
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by tiagoabner » Sun May 26, 2019 9:58 am

Thanks for the link, your gets it better. Yeah, the general population and to be really pissed off they aren't seeing prisons regarding the legendary yellow envelopes. I wonder if there's any investigation going on about that.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sun May 26, 2019 10:03 am

well, i have not seen an update recently on the Law airlines case.

here is the problem with most these cases you do see in the news, they involve government officials. if they had left the government officials out, there would not be much of a case.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Sun May 26, 2019 10:22 am

It's just more of the same....

Last year, two Chilean Consuls were "separated from their functions" for the same offence.

And the year before, Senator Andrés Zaldívar was similarly accused.

When members of the privileged top tier of Chilean government are caught cheating, what does that imply about lower-level officials ?

Continuing with the "tourism" theme, how are so many convicted lanzas internacionales able to travel abroad and reoffend after having been deported? Stolen or bought passports? Limpieza de antecedentes?

Nowadays turning over any Chilean stone reveals a rich assortment of nasty creatures.

The crime tourism business is still going strong, btw.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by at46 » Sun May 26, 2019 2:58 pm

admin wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 9:54 am
sounds like these guys were flying them in to Argentina to then sneak them over the boarder. why would you do that?
This says the Chinese first entered Chile and then decided to move to Argentina.

Anyway, looking at the the CNN coverage that mentions the connections of the accused to Nueva Mayoria and Democracia Cristiana, it might be the first volley in the next presidential campaign more than anything else.

Interestingly, the CNN calls it the biggest immigration bust ever to have occured in Chile :), and says not a word about the Haitians.

https://www.cnnchile.com/pais/funcionar ... xxw3ugQAng

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sun May 26, 2019 3:04 pm

it looks like these wankers were not only smuggling chinese, but charging them $5,000 u.s. for just a tourist visa. Are you frigen kidding me?

there was a story a few years ago about a shipping container full of chinese smuggled in to Europe, and then they just left them at the port to die. the people paid $50,000 u.s. each to die in a container.

Guess i need to step-up my advertising for LEGAL immigration from china, because we don't charge even remotely anything like that to our Chinese clients, for residency aplications. we don't even charge for the tourist visa phase, because it is free at the consulate in China.

These guys were doing nothing but running a con.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by mem » Sun May 26, 2019 4:36 pm

admin wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 3:04 pm
it looks like these wankers were not only smuggling chinese, but charging them $5,000 u.s. for just a tourist visa. Are you frigen kidding me?

there was a story a few years ago about a shipping container full of chinese smuggled in to Europe, and then they just left them at the port to die. the people paid $50,000 u.s. each to die in a container.

Guess i need to step-up my advertising for LEGAL immigration from china, because we don't charge even remotely anything like that to our Chinese clients, for residency aplications. we don't even charge for the tourist visa phase, because it is free at the consulate in China.

These guys were doing nothing but running a con.
My first thought was basically the same...huh? what? Whoa really? $5000 USD to just get to Chile on a tourist visa? According to the beggarly wikipedia

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"Citizens of  China can apply for a no-fee tourist or business visa, or visit Chile without a visa for up to 90 days"

I don't get it...are these poor Chinese (empathetically versus economically) just ignorant of current immigration law betwixt China and Chile? (actually pretty likley if they cant speak/read english or spanish?) Did that $5K USD include airfare (or whatever other 'transport') and something more than a tourist visa...regardless of the lie behind it? If it did...well maybe somehow that might begin to make slightly more sense than this abject rejection of all that is sensible on the part of the victims.

I have to admit I have been somewhat puzzled at why a Chinese citizen would want to move to and live in Chile. Though, of course, I am sure many Chileans ask themselves the exact same question of me. "Why would a USA citizen want to move to and live in Chile? Is he nutz? <snark>I'd kill to get me let alone my family to the glistening perfection that is the life of living in the USA"</snark> Chileans have told me this time and time again, albeit I am paraphrasing with a twist of snark
I guess the more specific point of that question is Chile versus somewhere else...Europe or other parts of Asia.

Of course I have quite a few reasons for rejecting Europe and Asia for longterm family relocation, and likely they do as well. There is still, without exaggeration, nowhere else that ticks all my boxes like Chile. Not Uruguay, not Andorra, not Switzerland, not Singapore, not Hong Kong.

Only Chile out of all other countries on the earth. Maybe they see the same thing many of us do

It is one thing if they have resources and a plan to execute on where they are moving versus another thing where sometimes immigrants just want to mooch off the incoming state in every possible way. I mean the fewer minority that turn mooching into a science and even brag about their exploits.
To be clear...I doubt this pejorative category encompasses the affected Chinese immigrants in this story.

In my estimation, these Chinese immigrants were probably most (not all) reasonably well heeled. Wanted out of living in China. Wanted to get their money out of China, and probably could only speak and read Mandarin and/or Cantonese. They can probably read the writing on the wall of new. They probably dream of living somewhere reasonably rural where the human to square meter density ratio is less than 1.

So they wanted to buy longterm liberty and security and wanted to be in a country that was basically China friendly. If they are smart and can recognize the fundamental value that Chile provides one who lives here....just as almost all of us can relate to.


Then, honestly I can relate to a lot of that.

I am glad these scumbags are out of business defrauding them needlessly

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by at46 » Sun May 26, 2019 8:57 pm

mem wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 4:36 pm

My first thought was basically the same...huh? what? Whoa really? $5000 USD to just get to Chile on a tourist visa? According to the beggarly wikipedia

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"Citizens of  China can apply for a no-fee tourist or business visa, or visit Chile without a visa for up to 90 days"
I think that quote misses one small but important detail, which is: if they already hold a valid US or Canada visa.

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