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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:20 am

at46 wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:46 am
Gloria wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:50 pm
eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:48 am
My step-daughter who was fired like many Chilean ground staff from LATAM Chile in the past year (and who like many predatory Chilean companies probably replaced her with the above earning less) is temporarily working at a VTR call center. Almost all the other employees there are Venezuelans and Colombians BUT the latest word is that they will be axed due to Chilean customers complaining that they can't understand them. She was the Gullier voter that I had some heated discussion with before and after the recent election who probably now sees the light.
Shame on VTR. Colombians and Venezuelan speech is way superior to Chileans by far. Plus their telephone manners are exceptionally the best.
It's true, of course, that Colombians and Venezuelans speak a much clearer version of Spanish than most Chileans. But from my personal experience dealing with both Movistar and VTR support over the phone, it's pretty rare to be able to actually get something done, regardless of the nationality on the other end. Haitians are completely useless, imho, while Colombians and Venezuelans, while eager to help, do not get enough support from their Chilean colleagues somewhere down the line, it seems. To get things done I go to Movistar or VTR offices and I have by now figured out the very few middle aged Chilean women there who get things done without mistakes. These rare gems usually have a line-up of people wanting to see specifically them regardless of the number in the line-up they were assigned by the system.
My wife talked to a wonderful Chilean woman at the VTR call center the other day. She quickly confirmed that my router was dead in less than 5 minutes (I am a retired techie type so this part is usually frustrating as they normally make you go through unecesary steps more than once), efficiently scheduled a tech appointment for the second day of the coming workweek and PROACTIVELY noticed our plan needed to be upgraded and took the steps so that we did not have to visit the local office.

My experience with both Movistar and VTR banda ancha/tele/phone in San Antonio has been extremely good, The techs always arrive on time and know enough to get the job done quickly. This time, the tech that came out was a blond haired dude that had a non-Chilean accent.

Regarding clearness, well yes I can understand them better than 55% of Chileans but I have noticed it goes both ways. Chileans can't understand and don't have the flexibility to interpret my heavy gringo accented Spanish but for some reason, non-Chilean Spanish speakers do so I can understand how a more "real" closer to the crown Spanish can be difficult for a Chilean who unconsciously expect and demand the Chilean way of speaking. I have had instances where non-Chilean Spanish speaking tourists come up to me for directions perhaps because they find attempting to communicate with an impatient Chilean daunting.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:15 pm

the only time i have had a colombian or Peruvian ask me what i said, was when i was honestly mumbling.

the chilean girl at my local store that i have been shopping at for years, still acts like she does not understand what i want. one day i was not in the mood for it. i said, "after 6+ years of shopping here, i should be able to grunt in chinese and you should be able to figure out what i want". her boss was in the store over hearing it (he is not chilean). she finaly quit doing it.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:50 am

Last week I got a VTR 200 Mb internet connection. It worked OK, but the modem supplied was acting as a Router, handing out private IP addresses. Since we already have a router, incoming connections were being double NAT'ted.

Based on quite a few negative experiences with various Tech Supports here, with low expectations I called VTR and explained the situation to a lady who, by the clarity of her speech, was evidently not Chilean.

She said "OK, you want to put the modem into Bridge Mode"

<Gasps> "Yes! that's exactly what I want"

"OK, give us 10 minutes, and call back if you have any problems."

Outstanding.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:08 am

The new Arris router they installed for my 30 connection has the password to access the router/modem settings printed on the sticker below. I was impressed that I no longer needed to do bridge and use my aging wifi router like with their previous POS VTR modem/router box and now this box is doing seperate 2.5 and 5 Ghz wifi networks and wired devices with IP reservation and MAC filtering.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:00 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:08 am
The D-Link router they installed for my 30 connection has the password to access the router/modem settings printed on the sticker below. I was impressed that I no longer needed to do bridge and use my aging wifi router like with their previous POS VTR modem/router box and now this box is doing seperate 2.5 and 5 Ghz wifi networks and wired devices with IP reservation and MAC filtering.
Yeah, VTR seems a lot more open about letting users access their routers these days, and for most users the configuration options are OK. But I run two WANs and two separate LANs. I dont think its easy to get a Dynamic DNS service working behind two routers either. Horses for courses as the English say.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:13 pm

Bachelet's parting gift to Chile, more slums. You know like all the other ones that just keep on giving (or taking). Chile was making real progress in getting slums and extreme poverty among Chileans under control, but I guess that was starting to undermine the socialist voter base.

Rise in number of slums in Chile:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chil ... SKCN1OP1DJ

Along the same lines, there is this narrative being pushed by the left these days (and the government is not really pushing back on), "all those immigrants just melted in to the work force in Chile and are doing great".

I am in Puerto Montt at the Sodimac store. There is the same Haiten girl outside selling candy bars the last few months. Go down the street to Lider. Two or three Haitens selling candy bars on the street.

I stop at an intersection in the center of Puerto Montt, and there is a dozen Haitens selling candy bars on the street. Next intersection another half dozen or so Haitens.

You can tell their Haiten by the incredible amount of winter clothing they wear. Like a wool winter hat, ski jacket, even gloves on a 70+ degree really sunny hot day in southern Chile; to the point when I seen a single black guy crossing the street in just a T-shirt I joked to my wife, "he is definitely not Haiten, He was probably born in northern Canada".

Now in fairness to their chosen profession, there was a study done a while back that street sellers can easily top over a million pesos a month, tax free. So, it might be one of the better paying jobs in Puerto Montt. So perhaps we give it a while, and see if they branch out in to more productive entrepreneurially areas. Chile can only eat so many candy bars while waiting for a light to change.

That is all fine and dandy. My issue however is, I am not convinced that the immigration "amnesty" really did manage to "regularize" the legal status as much as the government would like to make everyone believe; and, I am also not convinced they have managed to stop the illegal immigration as much as they would like to spin in the news.

However, considering a lot of people are still waiting for their paperwork, it will probably be a year or two before there really is any sort of accounting related to the impact. We know the numbers that took advantage of the amnesty at immigration, did not come anywhere close to the number of immigrants that are known to be in the country.

The particular problem with the slums, especially up north is, it creates a moving target. It takes time for the goverment and NGO's to asses the situation, put together a plan and resources, then execute. By allowing an uncontrolled flow of poor immigrants, it becomes a game of Whac-A-Mole, where you reduce poverty in one slum, just to have three more pop-up somewhere else, and most likely due to their legal status, much harder to nail down what is needed to solve it (e.g. how many people, are they permanent or transient, etc).

In the bigger picture of the regional migration flows, we still have the Venezuela story going on. Estimates are there is another 3 million+ in 2019 set to leave Venezuela, and that is most likly without some sort conflict breaking out there.

A recent article I read pointed out that Europe came unhinged with about a million people immigrating from the syria conflict. Colombia, estimates they have accepted over a million people. What will triple that look like? Peru and Colombia are both rapidly reaching their limit, which is going to push more Venezuelans out to other countries, legal or illegal.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:53 am

so here is the bluntest statement about what the unlimited migration push wants, from bachelet's buddy, angel merkel:
"Nation states must today be prepared to give up their sovereignty", according to German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who told an audience in Berlin that sovereign nation states must not listen to the will of their citizens when it comes to questions of immigration, borders, or even sovereignty.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12- ... orld-order
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:17 pm

well, way to go again Bachelet.

Chileans xenophobia is growing:

https://www.df.cl/noticias/economia-y-p ... 52034.html
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:17 pm

well, way to go again Bachelet.

Chileans xenophobia is growing:

https://www.df.cl/noticias/economia-y-p ... 52034.html
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:42 pm

The return of the Chilean Neo Nazis can't be far behind. And as things swing wildly, we legal, no-impact immigrants will get caught up in some of the reactions just because we are in the foreigner category.

My first, page one post on this very thread foretold what was to come if the screws weren't placed early on. Oh well, so be it, we will have to deal with it.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:43 am

I showed the article to my wife that was like, 'someone actually had to do a survey to find out Chileans are a bunch of xenophobic racists'?

She has always said it comes with the isolation of the Andes Mountains.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:36 am

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From today's EMOL:
In 2018, Immigrants accounted for 12% of all registered births in Chile.

There will be a backlash once this phenomenon begins to penetrate the Chilean self-absorption that is often mistaken for tolerance. Its already happening in less culturally primitive countries than this one.
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