chile's migration crisis

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:35 am

you know the thing that realy pisses me off about what happened with the bachelet administration's immigration policy was the shear lack of thought that went in to the consequences of it.

There was an article i read the other day that described this push for unlimited migration as "cultural maxism". i typicaly blow-off any of the extreme right wing propaganda that throws around the terms "cultural marxism", as most of it is too stupid to waist time reading. the authors typicaly know as much about marx as the kids in the street with che shirts on.

however this one followed up with an interesting point. the root assertion of marx was the that the toal destruction of society and institutions was required for the revolution to be possible, including religion, political parties, and countries.

essentialy, the realization is that a full throated communist society could not exist, as long as a capitalist alternative was just over the boarder. which history has pretty much proved to be true at every turn, and for good reason. no one in a socialist society stays happy for very long.

so, if you are an old school socialist (of the 1918 stripe), the most serious problem standing in the way of your socialist paradise is boarders.

the other point of that author was that communist and socialist movements have almost universaly rebranded and renamed themselves today, due to the decades of bad press; but, basic guiding principles are still there.

meanwhile, for the last 15 years, i have had one guiding principle to who we take as a client or not: the people we bring to chile need to be equiped to support themselves and integrate in to chilean society. essentialy, our policy was not to dump people on the streets of chile, with no resources or means to support themselves, just to have them turn in to burdens on the state. at the least, they need to have the resources to go home or move on from chile, if life here does not work out. As i have always said, chile is not for everybody.

which we have applied this policy consistently across all of our clients since we started doing immigration. that was not only our policy, but the laws and goverment policies of chile durring all those years. clearly the law in chile states you must have resources to support yourself, or a job, or skills, among other requirments.

then i wake up one day, and there is bachelet and friends actively encouraging people to move to chile, that otherwise would never qualify to move here. no jobs. no education or skills. no money.

meanwhile, i have to applogize and try to explain to clients with jobs, money, good educations from top schools in the world, many own multimillion dollar companies and investments in chile, why their application was arbitrarily rejected, while thousands of haitens are landing at the airport with little more than a mysterious yellow envelope full of criminaly fraudulant documents.

the only way those actions squares with any political view is if you are still a true believer in marx and the destruction of social institutions, regardless of what pretty party banner you wave while doing it.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by mem » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:55 am

admin wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:55 am
well itialy is pulling the plug on economic refugees and the u.n. agreement on migration.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12- ... ration-law

i have not seen a position from the chilean goverment on it and if they will sign.

if the last few years of unrestricted migration on chile have proved anything is that what is on that agreement is very bad for chile, and could be realy bad if chile gives up it's sovern right to say who can and can live in chile. chile is not say switzerland, with a massive buffer of countries around it to mop up a surge in migration. colombia for instance is actively doing things to encourage venezuelans to move on to other countries, as they simply don't have the resources.
Honestly, I dont think Pinera or whoever even knows about the UN migration pact. Let alone what it actually says. It has gotten very little news coverage, and it is possible there is a purposeful plan to couch/sneak through a signing before it can be quashed. Chilean bureaucracy drama at its finest with bachelet and bachelet hold overs.

There needs to be a way to grassroots contact and inform the government before the signing. This was done in Austria with great success, the public was rallied to contact the government and pressure them to pull out
However these isnt much time left.
Anyone got Pinera on speed dial?

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:21 pm

Jeje, yeah the recent flood of fake tourists rubber stamped onwards with no control so really ticked me off that I failed to register my new apartment address with PDI for the past two years as a personal form of protest against the much greater rule breaking going on. Finally got around to it when I renewed my cedula which of course requires a trip to PDI.

And Santiago gringos who need to renew a tourist visa, the gobernadora recently axed I think 6 employees leaving a staff of 3 at Extranjería San Antonio so be aware that this might not be as great an alternative to the cola up the ass of the cola wait at Santiasco Extranjería office.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:47 pm

when bachelet's admin said there was nothing they could do about the haitens, that was an outright lie. i can think of about a dozenn fellonies commited by every single haiten that presented the contents of one of those envelopes to the PDI.

those are still grounds for arrest, revocation of any visa they have, and deportation of every haiten that landed at SCL and used one of those envelopes.

but, i guess that plane has flown away. not a lot about immigration out of the administration these days.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:48 pm

i just hope the growing international rejection of the u.n. agreement pressures the linera administration to not sign it.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by at46 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:03 pm

admin wrote:
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i just hope the growing international rejection of the u.n. agreement pressures the linera administration to not sign it.
Yeah, but what if Commissar Gordita returns for a third term?

Just read up on her on wikipedia. Boy, what a handful. Daughter of an airforce general jailed for high treason. Lived with a guy who was part of an armed group that attempted to assassinate Pinochet. First Chilean female Defense Minister (how does that happen in a normal world?) - that's your Haiti connection given that's the only foreign country where Chile's military is involved.

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by mem » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:17 pm

There should be limits...each person gets no more than X amount of times as president, even when not consecutive.

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by at46 » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:44 pm

Looks like Chile is not signing on to the world without borders https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... mano.shtml

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:58 pm

Best news of the day.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:44 pm

at46 wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:44 pm
Looks like Chile is not signing on to the world without borders https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... mano.shtml

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:45 pm

“Nuestra posición es clara. Nosotros decimos que la migración no es un derecho humano. El derecho lo tienen los países de definir las condiciones de ingreso de los ciudadanos extranjeros”, indicó el subsecretario del Interior, Rodrigo Ubilla, agregando que “si fuera un derecho humano, entonces estamos en un mundo sin fronteras. Creemos firmemente en los derechos humanos de los migrantes, pero no que migrar sea un derecho humano”.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:02 pm

here article in english about chile's decision to not sign:

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1O80QT

meanwhile, sounds like belgium goverment is in crisis over supporting the pact:

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... ation-pact
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