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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:19 am

Peru declares an emergency on its boarders:

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/arti ... tion-surge

The numbers being reported, are still not adding up nor passing the smell test.

Peru says they have 300,000, but some how they are averging 3,000 a day crossing the boarder. That is more like a million. Are they all still there? Are they in chile?
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:21 am

Interesting that the countries are going to ask the U.N. for help.

Let's see if bachelet gets involved in immigration again via her new position at the UN.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by mem » Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:24 am

admin wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:21 am
Interesting that the countries are going to ask the U.N. for help.

Let's see if bachelet gets involved in immigration again via her new position at the UN.
You can count on it.

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:10 pm

Seems the goverment is gping to help send the haitiens home.

https://www.df.cl/noticias/economia-y-p ... 24951.html
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by Space Cat » Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:46 pm

An interview with a Chilean professor from Cambridge. He explains how the unindustrialized Chilean economy avoids salary growth by increasing the immigration flow instead of productivity.

Sostienen que política migratoria postergará al menos en una década el alza de los salarios
https://www.usach.cl/news/sostienen-pol ... s-salarios
Nuestro sistema económico es esencialmente rentista y depredador; vive de la apropiación fácil (e ilegítima) de las rentas de los recursos naturales, de las que generan la falta de competencia (concentración oligopólica), de las financieras y de las que emergen por poder pagar salarios mezquinos a una proporción importante de la población.
Frente a eso habían básicamente dos alternativas: subir productividad o abrir la inmigración. Lo primero, para poder pagar esos salarios en aumento; lo segundo, para que todo pudiese seguir igual. La primera, que caracterizó a los países desarrollados en una etapa similar del desarrollo, era pedir demasiado, pues requería incrementar la inversión, la absorción tecnológica, la diversificación económica, etcétera. Era una pasada de cambio dinamizador. La segunda, harto más fácil, le deba oxígeno a nuestro modelo rentista y así poder postergar al menos por una década el alza de los salarios y la caída de la desigualdad.
El gran flujo migratorio ya está aquí y hay que absorberlo de la mejor manera posible, tanto en lo humano como en lo económico, pero como muestra la encuesta Casen, ya comienza a caer el ingreso del trabajo de los deciles más bajos. La política migratoria, empujada inicialmente por el empresariado y el “segundo piso” de la Concertación, ya da sus frutos. Por eso, ahora la tarea de combatir la pobreza es muchísimo más compleja de lo que ya era. Lo mismo respecto a nuestra obscena desigualdad.

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:58 pm

So this "expert" believes that it was a combination of successive Concertación governments and Big Business that conspired to permit this unchecked inflow of low-quality economic immigrants in order to create a pool of cheap unskilled labour that would maintain the present system by keeping wages down?

Cannot be bothered to enumerate all the errors in this tendentious article.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by mem » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:57 pm

The latest chapter in the saga

Haitians may fly back on Pineras air force 1.

http://www.haitilibre.com/en/news-25474 ... plane.html

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:31 am

Similarly, under-secretary Ubilla explained that starting in October, a special register would be open to Haitians wishing to return to their country of origin, with the counterpart the commitment not to return to Chile for 10 years.
Yea dont want to pay for them to take a vacation back home to visit relatives.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:31 am

sure looks like haiten are still trying illegaly enter chile.

100 haitens arrested in bolivia. i highly doubt that was their final destination.

https://www.haitilibre.com/en/news-2551 ... livia.html
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:31 pm

HaitiLibre wrote:The arrested Haitians, victims of the human trafficking network, said that the individuals who managed their movements, knew perfectly all the mechanisms to enter or leave from one country to another, without passing through all mandatory migration controls.

Another piece of the puzzle falls into place:
eeuunikkeiexpat on Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:48 pm wrote:
Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:48 pm
(I have it on very good word that other Haitians have been coming in via land up north using Bolivian docs).
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:36 pm

not a very hard trick.

enter other country in latin america with a trade agreement / free movment of people with chile

obtain residency or other local id (sure some greese on the wheels helps cut down the time)

cross in to chile under one of the trade agreements free movment of people

no haiten visa to chile required
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:46 pm

so the frigen haiten community in chile is bitching now that the plan to fly haitens back to haiti using chilean military flights, comes with the condition they can not return to chile for at least 9 years. claiming that the goverment has already started the process to deport haitens without papers, and everyine else is legaly in the country. essentialy they want the goverment to pay for them to go home for a visit.

yeaaaaaa, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

i guess on the bright side, the haitens are rapidly integrating in to the 'what has the goverment done for me recently' culture.
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