chile's migration crisis

[HybridAmbassador]

I could see lanuage making brazil a second choice for venezuelans, but portugies is not all that diffrent from spanish. I was there and in three days and was able to read the local news, watch local shows, get cab, order dinner, etc. Never had portugies lesson in my life. It is at least easier than chilean spanish.

Actually, it's much harder for a native Spanish speaker to learn Portuguese than the opposite. Spanish has less vowel sound when compared to Portuguese, so they have a lot of trouble when learning the language. A good way to compare is an English speaker learning Arabic: there are sounds that simply aren't used in the other language. IE. Spanish speakers have a lot of trouble differentiating between the Portuguese words for granpa and grandma, which are avô ("o" as in "ahold") and avó ("o" as in "force"). In fact, the "force o" is entirely absent from Spanish.

Also, it's easy to forget that Brazil is almost the size of the continental USA: it's f***ing huge. There are large cultural differences throughout the country and not everyone is used to dealing with foreigners, specially outside of touristic areas, border towns/states and huge metropolises.

Brazil had multiple finanial crysis in the last century or so, but there simply isn't a culture of moving to other countries among the lower classes. Yes, upper-middle to upper classes have moved out, and will continue to do so, but the financial and cultural barrier is usually too steep. Also, Brazilian culture is heavily influenced by American culture, so the top immigration destinations are the USA, seen as a "get rich fast, American dream all the way" destination, and Portugal, which has a couple of agreements with Brazil.

I'm currently living in Portugal because my wife couldn't get used to living in Chile due to her poor language skills, so the language barrier was a huge factor in our case. The fact that we have access to free-ish healthcare, social security "equivalency" and a reasonable income tax rate were also factors in our decision.

tiago, being Brasileiro that speaks same language sure to enjoy there but in Portugal, you can not to eat abundant Churrasco a la if in Brazil. However, when I was in Lisbon in those days back in the late seventies, ate much of that delicious "bacalau" dishes! And also not to forget the beef tripe along the sardines and enourmous quantity of canned goods.! Also to note, the Vino you get to savour listening to those marvelous Fados, ah memory lane....

[tiagoabner]

I could see lanuage making brazil a second choice for venezuelans, but portugies is not all that diffrent from spanish. I was there and in three days and was able to read the local news, watch local shows, get cab, order dinner, etc. Never had portugies lesson in my life. It is at least easier than chilean spanish.

Actually, it's much harder for a native Spanish speaker to learn Portuguese than the opposite. Spanish has less vowel sound when compared to Portuguese, so they have a lot of trouble when learning the language. A good way to compare is an English speaker learning Arabic: there are sounds that simply aren't used in the other language. IE. Spanish speakers have a lot of trouble differentiating between the Portuguese words for granpa and grandma, which are avô ("o" as in "ahold") and avó ("o" as in "force"). In fact, the "force o" is entirely absent from Spanish.

Also, it's easy to forget that Brazil is almost the size of the continental USA: it's f***ing huge. There are large cultural differences throughout the country and not everyone is used to dealing with foreigners, specially outside of touristic areas, border towns/states and huge metropolises.

Brazil had multiple finanial crysis in the last century or so, but there simply isn't a culture of moving to other countries among the lower classes. Yes, upper-middle to upper classes have moved out, and will continue to do so, but the financial and cultural barrier is usually too steep. Also, Brazilian culture is heavily influenced by American culture, so the top immigration destinations are the USA, seen as a "get rich fast, American dream all the way" destination, and Portugal, which has a couple of agreements with Brazil.

I'm currently living in Portugal because my wife couldn't get used to living in Chile due to her poor language skills, so the language barrier was a huge factor in our case. The fact that we have access to free-ish healthcare, social security "equivalency" and a reasonable income tax rate were also factors in our decision.

tiago, being Brasileiro that speaks same language sure to enjoy there but in Portugal, you can not to eat abundant Churrasco a la if in Brazil. However, when I was in Lisbon in those days back in the late seventies, ate much of that delicious "bacalau" dishes! And also not to forget the beef tripe along the sardines and enourmous quantity of canned goods.! Also to note, the Vino you get to savour listening to those marvelous Fados, ah memory lane....

Lack of churrasco will most likely not be an issue. I'm usually the one who does the barbecues, so the churrasco is with me wherever I am. Walks to the sunset.

On an immigration related note, to stay more on topic, there are much more Brazilians here than on Chile, even though it's way easier to get a Chilean visa Mercosur.

[admin]

Things are getting crazy on the brazil - venezuela boarder. A mob od brazilians forces hundreds of venezuelans back across the boarder and burned the camps.

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1L40LU

[admin]

That has to do with what exactly?

[frozen-north]

Vocero de la comunidad haitiana en Chile pide ayuda al gobierno: “Son miles los que quieren retornar a Haití”

http://www.eldesconcierto.cl/2018/08/25 ... r-a-haiti/

[mem]

Vocero de la comunidad haitiana en Chile pide ayuda al gobierno: “Son miles los que quieren retornar a Haití”

http://www.eldesconcierto.cl/2018/08/25 ... r-a-haiti/

Oy, so a ton got here on a Bachelet subsidized LAW airline, now a ton want to return...but of course they need the government to pay for the return flight without ability to work. If they all fly commercial economy that is going to really add up. Maybe the government should redeploy some military planes to do special bulk trips, possibly direct nonstop flights to portauprince. Hopefully Bachelets visa is still on file at the presidential palace for the fuel cost

[eeuunikkeiexpat]

So the Chile green pastures in the distance turned to depressing mud pools after arrival and Chile tax payers are left with the bill to deal with it despite all the great benefits claimed for Chile and the 'no problem man' attitude of the open border supporters.

[admin]

Here, you all will enjoy this paper (pdf).

"Weapons of mass migration"

https://calhoun.nps.edu/bitstream/handl ... ll_116.pdf

Interesting it was mentioned this badly written and argued paper claiming that the u.s. and colombia were plotting for a "grand-colombia".

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08- ... n-colombia

Dont think the author has ever met a colombian or venezuelan, and seems totally ignorant of the history of bolivar.

[frozen-north]

Soros, the Jesuits, the Vatican and all orgs getting paid to disrupt foreign societies.

Bachelet subsidized LAW airline

Have you been hanging out with 'needwaterandpeace' ??

have you ever done an Internet search on the Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan? It is the Jesuit-Illuminist-Masonic Lodge plan to merge all nationalities and religions together as one--except one. It is to be ruled over by one religious nation-state (who will maintain their own separate identity and religion). And about common visas and dropping borders,

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=14888&start=720#p185123

[mem]

Soros, the Jesuits, the Vatican and all orgs getting paid to disrupt foreign societies.

Bachelet subsidized LAW airline

Have you been hanging out with 'needwaterandpeace' ??

have you ever done an Internet search on the Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan? It is the Jesuit-Illuminist-Masonic Lodge plan to merge all nationalities and religions together as one--except one. It is to be ruled over by one religious nation-state (who will maintain their own separate identity and religion). And about common visas and dropping borders,

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=14888&start=720#p185123

Well...is there any doubt that the yellow envelopes with government invitation to Chile for the haitians didnt also come with subsidized airfare from the government? It seems hard to believe that all those people paid for their own ticket at normal open market prices. Why else would they come to Chile versus somewhere else that is closer/cheaper.

But perhaps they did and the government subsidy didnt happen and the yellow envelopes with government invitation to Chile is just an annoying red herring as well as Bachelets UN appointment.

[eeuunikkeiexpat]

[admin]

Brazil deployes troops on the venezuelan boarder.

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1LD27Q