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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by 41southchile » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:32 pm

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The stupid argument about needing immigrants to increase the gdp of the country gets crushed iiwith every HIV positive immigrant. 1 case of HIV to full blown AIDS in the public health system, has got to be the equivelent of 10, 100, possibly a 1000 low skilled workers contributions to the economy. That is just the hiv, never mind the TB and whatever other untreated illnesses.

And, we are just getting going. The goverment does not even know what it does not know about this recent wave of immigrants. Perhaps once everyone gets some legit papers, they will start trickling in to the health care system so they can at least be monitored.


One way or the other, it is going to cost the country big.
I don't know if it's about increasing GDP it's about business owners having a reliable cheap supply of Labor at their disposal (big businesses with high labour demand, construction of apartments, agriculture and horticulture industries etc etc) . And of course like any good big business where money and growth Trump everything, they privatise the profits (for them and their shareholders) and socialise the costs (state picking up social welfare/ health and education costs) .
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:03 pm

I am refering to the stupid economic arguement that claims you need to increase population to increase productivity.

Really it is an excuse for politicians to not spend money or do anything domestically on many levels.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by 41southchile » Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:06 am

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Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:03 pm
I am refering to the stupid economic arguement that claims you need to increase population to increase productivity.

Really it is an excuse for politicians to not spend money or do anything domestically on many levels.
Ah that smoke and mirrors trick, yeah that's bullshit.
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Increase in cases of tuberculosis

Post by bobserb » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:22 am

Would you like that someone with tuberculosis handle your food?Does Chile require TB testing for food handlers?I have seen quite a few Haitians working on "ferias libres" and local restaurants.
''Haitianos asisten a charlas sobre tuberculosis dictadas por el Cesfam

Los casos de tuberculosis en el país han ido en aumento en estos últimos meses y la comuna de San Antonio no ha sido la excepción.

María Isabel Gayosa, enfermera del Centro de Salud Familiar (Cesfam) San Antonio, señaló que el incremento de la población migrante hizo necesaria la realización de charlas preventivas sobre esta patología infectocontagiosa, iniciativa que ya están llevándose a cabo en la comuna.

La profesional indicó que en estas charlas educativas la comunidad haitiana conoce en qué consiste esta enfermedad, sus síntomas, medidas de prevención y tratamiento. Además, se les explica a través de un video la importancia de realizarse la baciloscopia, un examen de flemas gratuito que puede realizarse en cualquier hospital o consultorio. http://www.lidersanantonio.cl/impresa/2 ... /10/texto/

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by frozen-north » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:51 am

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Would you like that someone with tuberculosis handle your food?Does Chile require TB testing for food handlers?I have seen quite a few Haitians working on "ferias libres" and local restaurants.
Where did you get the idea that tuberculosis is being spread by food handlers?

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Re: chile's migration crisis

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Yea nothing like flue season on the santiago metro.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by bobserb » Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:28 pm

frozen-north wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:51 am
bobserb wrote:
Would you like that someone with tuberculosis handle your food?Does Chile require TB testing for food handlers?I have seen quite a few Haitians working on "ferias libres" and local restaurants.
Where did you get the idea that tuberculosis is being spread by food handlers?
''Hawaii’s requirements that food handlers, school personnel and students, health care workers, and residential and daycare staff all be cleared for TB before going to work or school were suspended April 11 because of the testing solution shortages.''

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by 41southchile » Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:52 pm

frozen-north wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:51 am
bobserb wrote:
Would you like that someone with tuberculosis handle your food?Does Chile require TB testing for food handlers?I have seen quite a few Haitians working on "ferias libres" and local restaurants.
Where did you get the idea that tuberculosis is being spread by food handlers?
I didn't think it was that easy to get TB, it's not as if you get it if someone coughs on you or your food is it? I was under the impression it was normally spread in overcrowded houses etc where germs are spread easy and people who are in close contact with someone with TB all the time are most at risk, not a casual one off thing like served in a fast food place, the flu yeah sure , but TB?
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by frozen-north » Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:54 pm

bobserb wrote:
''Hawaii’s requirements that food handlers, school personnel and students, health care workers, and residential and daycare staff all be cleared for TB before going to work or school were suspended April 11 because of the testing solution shortages.''
Your original comment was:
Would you like that someone with tuberculosis handle your food?Does Chile require TB testing for food handlers?I have seen quite a few Haitians working on "ferias libres" and local restaurants.
Are you going to ask that all 'school personnel and students, health care workers, and residential and daycare staff' also be tested for tuberculosis?

And where does it say that tuberculosis in Chile, or anywhere, is being spread by food handlers?

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by frozen-north » Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:59 pm

41southchile wrote:

I didn't think it was that easy to get TB, it's not as if you get it if someone coughs on you or your food is it? I was under the impression it was normally spread in overcrowded houses etc where germs are spread easy and people who are in close contact with someone with TB all the time are most at risk, not a casual one off thing like served in a fast food place, the flu yeah sure , but TB?
How TB Spreads

TB bacteria are spread through the air from one person to another. The TB bacteria are put into the air when a person with TB disease of the lungs or throat coughs, speaks, or sings. People nearby may breathe in these bacteria and become infected.

https://www.cdc.gov/tb/topic/basics/howtbspreads.htm

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Re: Increase in cases of tuberculosis

Post by Gloria » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:01 pm

bobserb wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:22 am
I have seen quite a few Haitians working on "ferias libres" and local restaurants.
You don´t only have to be concerned about TB with the Haitians and other immigrants but also with ECOLI. Let´s not forget that many are coming from countries w/o running water and knowledge of basic hygiene. Overtime washing your hands after going to do bodily necessities gets forgotten and handling food and anything else for that matter, because they are not used to.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by 41southchile » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:43 pm

frozen-north wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:59 pm
41southchile wrote:

I didn't think it was that easy to get TB, it's not as if you get it if someone coughs on you or your food is it? I was under the impression it was normally spread in overcrowded houses etc where germs are spread easy and people who are in close contact with someone with TB all the time are most at risk, not a casual one off thing like served in a fast food place, the flu yeah sure , but TB?
How TB Spreads

TB bacteria are spread through the air from one person to another. The TB bacteria are put into the air when a person with TB disease of the lungs or throat coughs, speaks, or sings. People nearby may breathe in these bacteria and become infected.

https://www.cdc.gov/tb/topic/basics/howtbspreads.htm
Yeah I get that, but I remember hearing from a scientist on the Radio in NZ a couple of years ago explaing that the odds of getting it from one cough were miniscule and by the time it reaches the coughing stage your are starting to get blood and stuff in there too, so I wonder if they would still be at work then. She was being interviewed in NZ after an increase in TB cases in South Auckland amongst Pacific Islands people living in overcrowded conditions 15 to 20 per household. It is curable anyway so it's not as if it's a life sentence anyway, like most things, if you have the resources you'll be fine, but then I guess if you had a comfortable standard of life you probably wouldn't catch it in the first place. You have more chance getting run over on the road outside the Fast food joint than you ever will from catching TB at your local McDonald's. Now Gloria's point about ecoli that's another matter.
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