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Re: a justification for enforced 'immunization'

Post by admin » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:45 am

Andres wrote:Will this be a justification for enforced 'immunization' in the not-too-distant future?
For the sake of 'public safety', of course.

Pandemic Risk: Zika Mosquitos in 129 California Cities
http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... ia-cities/
did you really just site breitbart as a source?
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Re: The State of the States

Post by Britkid » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:11 pm

In the absence of John, I shall shortly be finding a random article from the Guardian so that Andres can have an argument with someone. I shall then proceed to defend modern left wing thought at great length for the next 20 pages. Please stand by while I search the Guardian website for something interesting. I will get back to you.

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Re: The State of the States

Post by frozen-north » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:41 pm

Andres wrote:
Will this be a justification for enforced 'immunization' in the not-too-distant future?
For the sake of 'public safety', of course.

Pandemic Risk: Zika Mosquitos in 129 California Cities
Really?

Are you also against the tetanus vaccine? Any objections to antibiotics?

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Re: The State of the States

Post by frozen-north » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:47 pm

Britkid wrote:
In the absence of John, I shall shortly be finding a random article from the Guardian so that Andres can have an argument with someone. I shall then proceed to defend modern left wing thought at great length for the next 20 pages. Please stand by while I search the Guardian website for something interesting. I will get back to you.
Don't be silly. There is no need to look at The Guardian, it just takes a little memory of what happened when vaccines weren't available. Are you also against the diphtheria vaccine? I remember some medical books from the 1950s which had information on how to do an emergency tracheotomy at home.

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Re: a justification for enforced 'immunization'

Post by Andres » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:16 pm

admin wrote:
Andres wrote:Will this be a justification for enforced 'immunization' in the not-too-distant future?
For the sake of 'public safety', of course.

Pandemic Risk: Zika Mosquitos in 129 California Cities
http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... ia-cities/
did you really just site breitbart as a source?
Whether or not the data stated is true is far more important than "the source".
Even perennial liars (like CNN, the New York Times and the Washington Post) might sometimes post factual information of value.

In this case, the breitbart article links to California state government websites which support the assertion of the virus in California.
https://www.cdph.ca.gov/HealthInfo/disc ... ionMap.pdf

But the important factor here is not whether (or not) there are really mosquitoes in California bearing the Zika virus, or whether the Zika virus is really dangerous, but that the government asserts that the mosquitoes are prolific in California and that they are dangerous.
And, therefore, what ('immunization' or other actions) they will force on the citizenry under the guise of 'public health'?
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Re: The State of the States

Post by Andres » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:28 pm

frozen-north wrote:
Andres wrote:
Will this be a justification for enforced 'immunization' in the not-too-distant future?
For the sake of 'public safety', of course.

Pandemic Risk: Zika Mosquitos in 129 California Cities
Really?
Are you also against the tetanus vaccine? Any objections to antibiotics?
Just like your other post, it is a straw man argument.
Your assertion is equivalent to equating my objection to rape to an objection to sex.

No, I am not against vaccines as a general rule.

But one has to wonder why there must be laws protecting vaccine manufacturers against prosecution.
Can they not make a credible argument that their vaccines are safe?
There are those who say the poisons in some vaccines for children are causing psychological and other health issues in children.
I do not know the truth, but when someone runs to the government to protect themselves from scrutiny (like Monsanto also has done), it makes me wonder what the truth really is, and why they do not want it revealed.

As for Zika, there are statistics which refute the conclusion that the Zika virus is definitely responsible for the negative effects on babies, and that Zika, while conincident with some of the babies with symptoms, does not explain all of them. Therefore, there might be another more relevant cause. If there is, we should find out what it is.
I believe in acting on conclusions based upon facts, not conclusions based upon MSM memes promulgated by pharmaceutical companies and government authorities they have 'captured'.
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Re: The State of the States

Post by Andres » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:29 pm

frozen-north wrote:
Britkid wrote:
In the absence of John, I shall shortly be finding a random article from the Guardian so that Andres can have an argument with someone. I shall then proceed to defend modern left wing thought at great length for the next 20 pages. Please stand by while I search the Guardian website for something interesting. I will get back to you.
Don't be silly. There is no need to look at The Guardian, it just takes a little memory of what happened when vaccines weren't available. Are you also against the diphtheria vaccine? I remember some medical books from the 1950s which had information on how to do an emergency tracheotomy at home.
That is a straw man assertion.
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Re: The State of the States

Post by Andres » Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:08 am

For decades, some of the dirtiest, darkest secrets of the chemical industry have been kept in Carol Van Strum’s barn. . . . more than 100,000 pages of documents obtained through legal discovery in lawsuits against Dow, Monsanto, the Environmental Protection Agency, the U.S. Forest Service, the Air Force, and pulp and paper companies, among others.

As of today, those documents and others that have been collected by environmental activists will be publicly available through a project called the Poison Papers. Together, the library contains more than 200,000 pages of information and “lays out a 40-year history of deceit and collusion involving the chemical industry and the regulatory agencies that were supposed to be protecting human health and the environment. . .

https://www.poisonpapers.org/

Crony capitalism and regulatory capture, at its finest.
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Re: The State of the States

Post by at46 » Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:29 pm

Andres wrote: ...lays out a 40-year history of deceit and collusion involving the chemical industry and the regulatory agencies
More on the forty year mark:
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/07/25/me ... t-40-years

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Re: The State of the States

Post by MikieO » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:22 am

Hah, I was outside to look at the eclipse but the smoke from forest fires "eclipsed" it. :roll:
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Re: The State of the States

Post by HybridAmbassador » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:29 pm

MikieO wrote:Hah, I was outside to look at the eclipse but the smoke from forest fires "eclipsed" it. :roll:
hey KikieO, you are about "two" days earlier! The Eclipse does not happen till 8/21 according to the media. But in Chile may be different date, who knows.....
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