2014 - Help? Process for import or purchase guns in Chile?

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Re: 2014 - Help? Process for import or purchase guns in Chil

Post by nwdiver » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:23 pm

Signing off for now I have to go to a Nov 11 memorial at the Cenotaph.......
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Re: 2014 - Help? Process for import or purchase guns in Chil

Post by svergas » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:51 pm

nwdiver wrote:
sookoon wrote:
nwdiver wrote:To the OP, importing a firearm used primarily by the armedforces is more difficult than hunting firearms. and no an AR 15 is not a hunting firearm.....
I submit to you that an AR 15 is indeed a hunting firearm; arguably one of the most effective hunting firearms against the greatest scourge to Texas and Chile farmland: javelina (wild hog). In Texas alone, javelina do over a billion dollars worth of damage, annually. The small calibre, high muzzle velocity with the flat trajectory over long ranges, low recoil, and ability for rapid fire when encountering a large group of them make it absolutely ideal for this noble form of population control.

Your side will never win the debate on gun control, the facts are not on your side.

the AR 15 and it derivatives were invented by a group who do not know how to shoot, I use a modern single shot rifle to hunt with............

It is very interesting to see you use single shot and judging other for using different kind of tool. Do you also judge people that drive different vehicle than you do? Maybe you do not like trucks because they are too big, or maybe 2 seaters because they are too small. See lots of this kind of judging from hunters towards competitive shooters who use different firearms.

I do not judge other for what they use. i use bolt to hunt and have no desire to use ar but if some people do and it is in accordance with the rules and regulations i see no reason to judge them. One day i will get an ar but for competitions. Fun to do it on the rage.

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Re: 2014 - Help? Process for import or purchase guns in Chil

Post by svergas » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:58 pm

[/quote]Ahh the swiss are armed because every able bodied man (some women) is given a firearm when in mandatory military service..... AND KEEPS IT thats why 50% of the population have firearms...... ohh you saw the number somewhere but not the reason.............

Canada has long guns not hand guns, but a nutcase jihadist with a 30 30 lever action rifle shot a ceremonial guard at the National Cenotaph last week and then entered the Parliament building to be shot down by the Sergent at Arms (Yes we still have those in our legislatures)... in Canada we have trust.... but need to tighten security around our Parliament Building............. ohh and jihadis have other weapons one run down a uniformed soldier in a parking lot 2 weeks ago.............

Re: the gun registry that was brought in by the Liberals, said to cost 5-6M when it hit 200m everyone realized..... well except said Liberals that it was a joke...... so its gone[/quote]


Not really sure what you meant by canada has long guns but not handguns because canada has handgans and ars and few other "scary" looking ones.

Gun registry cost went into billions.

I agree with the Parliment security statement BUT what do these arse holes have anything to do with hunters or competitive shooters that respect the law? The choice of the tools they used to commit the crime?

Also i do not understand your statement on the Swiss. So it is ok to have firearms at home but only if you have valid reason? Like Swiss do because of the millitary purpose
which i guess translate into me not having the valid reason when i say i use them for hunting, competitive shooting or for that matter anybody else on this plant?

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Re: 2014 - Help? Process for import or purchase guns in Chil

Post by El Chupacabra » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:34 pm

I am Canadian and have a legally registered handgun (In Canada). I don't know why people think Canadians can't have handguns???

Our laws don't allow for us to carry it around as a side arm at all times, but then again we really don't need to - we don't live in the states. But the access to handguns is there.

Plus, it is very easy to get (illegal) handguns in Canada. I should say in the Toronto area anyways, I'm not sure about the rest of Canada. They are everywhere. They are brought in from the states and easily and cheaply available.
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Re: 2014 - Help? Process for import or purchase guns in Chil

Post by admin » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:07 pm

fair warning to all, I am (very) mildly entertained by this thread, but this thing get's too stupid and I will pull the plug as I have with every thread on guns that drifts off in to the second amendment crap.
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Re: 2014 - Help? Process for import or purchase guns in Chil

Post by Ripsigg » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:11 pm

admin wrote:fair warning to all, I am (very) mildly entertained by this thread, but this thing get's too stupid and I will pull the plug as I have with every thread on guns that drifts off in to the second amendment crap.
Is it the US Constitution that is crap or just the 2nd amendment or merely constitutional discussion?

I know most politicians think the Constitution is crap. :alien:

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Re: 2014 - Help? Process for import or purchase guns in Chil

Post by Andres » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:46 pm

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Re: 2014 - Help? Process for import or purchase guns in Chil

Post by hlf2888 » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:20 pm

Those who need guns to feel safe should just stay in the US instead of trying to import their garbage values here.

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Re: 2014 - Help? Process for import or purchase guns in Chil

Post by admin » Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:31 pm

Ripsigg wrote:
admin wrote:fair warning to all, I am (very) mildly entertained by this thread, but this thing get's too stupid and I will pull the plug as I have with every thread on guns that drifts off in to the second amendment crap.
Is it the US Constitution that is crap or just the 2nd amendment or merely constitutional discussion?

I know most politicians think the Constitution is crap. :alien:
ahh hell, here we go. I end up doing this every time one of these threads pops up.

I have owned guns. Had a fairly impressive collection at 14 years old, for a 14 year old. Even was a member of the NRA for a little while (it was a free membership, came with a hunting license one year or something). I don't currently own a gun. Someday I might own a gun again. Currently not feeling the need to shoot anything or anyone.

As for the 2nd amendment, don't give a crap about the 2nd amendment. Far from the most clearly drafted piece of political writing, but could really care less about it all the way around. Even more impressive is the gun nuts care about it also. All they should care about is the law let's them have their guns. Where and how that law was scribbled, is neither here nor there. No one in the United States government has payed attention to anything in the constitution for a very long time, so why would you hang your political argument on the most ignored document in U.S. history?

That is exactly my problem with the whole discussion. It is the 8th grade book report quality of the discussion (on both sides), with some headline grabbing tag lines from various political parties thrown in to pretend it is some sort of adult conversation.

Guess what? None of it is even remotely related to Chile. The law allows you to have a certain, very limited number of guns, with lots of restrictions, and that is it.

If you don't like that, your really really not going to like Chile. From what I have seen, among the people that the gun laws are an issue when moving to Chile, the guns will just be the start of the reasons why you won't like Chile.
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Re: 2014 - Help? Process for import or purchase guns in Chil

Post by admin » Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:52 pm

By the way, for those that feel the need for a gun for self-defense in chile, there is something you need to think long and hard about.

If you ever pull a gun to shoot a Chilean, under any circumstances, you need to evaluate if pulling that trigger is going to really make you safer. Not the little immediate picture, in a "my life is in danger" sort of evaluation. I mean the big, big picture.

Because, if you pull a gun, as a foreigner, to shoot a Chilean, unless you are in completely unambiguous circumstances that anyone would read as 'the sucker had it coming' (and perhaps not even then), your life in Chile is pretty much over. You will never be safe in this country again. There is a good chance the community backlash will put you and your family in danger. Someone, somewhere, is going to want to get even. Chileans are a fairly passive aggressive bunch too, so it will be something like your house burns down when your not home, something happens to your kid, and so on.

That is not even considering all the various legal implications. Just overall ability to continue your life as it was will pretty much be over.

What I worry about, is waking up some morning and seeing some gringo on the front page of the national papers, that shot some Chilean, in some stupid situation that was clearly not self-defense, and that snow-balling in to bigger political conversation about putting restrictions on foreigners living in the country; and I am not just talking guns. Things like Immigration, residency, citizenship, and so on. All because some moron thought he was dirty hairy when the neighbor tried to take off with his rake or something stupid, and decided to teach him a lesson.

So one foreigner pulling a trigger, can make life for all foreigners living in Chile really hard, really fast.
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Re: 2014 - Help? Process for import or purchase guns in Chil

Post by Ripsigg » Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:19 am

admin wrote:
Ripsigg wrote:
admin wrote:fair warning to all, I am (very) mildly entertained by this thread, but this thing get's too stupid and I will pull the plug as I have with every thread on guns that drifts off in to the second amendment crap.
Is it the US Constitution that is crap or just the 2nd amendment or merely constitutional discussion?

I know most politicians think the Constitution is crap. :alien:
ahh hell, here we go. I end up doing this every time one of these threads pops up.

I have owned guns. Had a fairly impressive collection at 14 years old, for a 14 year old. Even was a member of the NRA for a little while (it was a free membership, came with a hunting license one year or something). I don't currently own a gun. Someday I might own a gun again. Currently not feeling the need to shoot anything or anyone.

As for the 2nd amendment, don't give a crap about the 2nd amendment. Far from the most clearly drafted piece of political writing, but could really care less about it all the way around. Even more impressive is the gun nuts care about it also. All they should care about is the law let's them have their guns. Where and how that law was scribbled, is neither here nor there. No one in the United States government has payed attention to anything in the constitution for a very long time, so why would you hang your political argument on the most ignored document in U.S. history?

That is exactly my problem with the whole discussion. It is the 8th grade book report quality of the discussion (on both sides), with some headline grabbing tag lines from various political parties thrown in to pretend it is some sort of adult conversation.

Guess what? None of it is even remotely related to Chile. The law allows you to have a certain, very limited number of guns, with lots of restrictions, and that is it.

If you don't like that, your really really not going to like Chile. From what I have seen, among the people that the gun laws are an issue when moving to Chile, the guns will just be the start of the reasons why you won't like Chile.
Does your use of the word "you" refer to me or is it a more general use of you? :alien:

I ask because I stated no opinion on the 2nd amendment. With 15 years living outside the US in various countries, I suspect I can get along in any country. Never felt the need to own a gun in any of those countries. I understand the English language does have problems with the word you since thee and thou went out of fashion. It just seems like you blew a gasket and are misplacing your anger onto me.

FYI, I was just asking clarification of your ambiguous statement about 2nd amendment crap. It's still somewhat ambiguous. Am i right in my conclusion that you don't like the 2nd amendment, you don't like 2nd amendment supporters, that you think American gun owners are prone to lapses in judgement, and US politicians don't respect the constitution and think it's crap?

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Re: 2014 - Help? Process for import or purchase guns in Chil

Post by admin » Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:01 am

actually, never really had you particularly in mind.

More along the lines of "you" as in gesturing towards the last like 8+ years of Americans that call me up and are all outraged that they can not bring their howitzer to Chile. Most countries are not going to let them bring a howitzer as a foreigner. The fact that Chile let's a foreigner have a gun at all, is pretty impressive. On many levels, its easier for foreigners to get a gun permit in Chile than a driver's license; Yet, they still whine about it like Chile is violating their human rights or something. If you can't live without your gun collection, stay in the United States (that is who we are talking about after all, no other country breeds that sort of crazy fixation on guns).

After one of these sorts of threads on the forum years ago, I actually received a death threat in an email from some nut job that thought i was trying to take their guns away because I deleted a thread on gun ownership in Chile that turned super stupid. At least Chile has the good sense to give people a psychological test before issuing an ownership permit (for whatever that is worth).

I am not against guns. I am against crazy people owning guns. The United States has a lot of crazy people.
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