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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:58 am

jehturner wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:59 pm
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but here is a jewel of headline supposedly derived from that study,
Estudio de efectividad de Sinovac en Chile: Vacunación impidió que número de contagiados entre 75 y 79 años fuera 80% más
That's terrible. Presumably what they're saying, in a deliberately convoluted way (because how could you come up with such a phrase by accident?), is that there was a 44% reduction in transmission (100% - 100% / 180% = 44%). I gather you need at least 60-70% protection to reach herd immunity, so that seems quite some way short, even with the whole population (including children) vaccinated at the same level as the 75-79-year-olds. Which means more variants cropping up, yay :( .
The only way you get anywhere close to that BS, is readying a completely different study, on some other subject, while picking your nose or something. Don't even bother trying to make sense out of it. I would call it "fake news", but that implies that gibberish could somehow be construed in to something sufficiently intelligible to be true or false. I think the most charitable thing here, is ignore it.

Unfortunately, that is not what most people will do as they glance at it over their morning coffee. I even have a pet name for this, "the fallacy of emphasis". By putting something in big bold letters, and more important or counterfactual information in regular type or smaller, you are misleading the reader in to believing the information in the bold letters is more important or more true.
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Post by admin » Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:10 am

I think my bigger bone to pick here goes way beyond this one crappy study.

It is the complicity if the university of chile, Minsal and the government, colmed (AMA of chile), and the frigen media, to carefully tiptoe around asking even mildly obvious questions about the sinovac vaccine. Never mind any serious questions about the science.

This vaccine is over a year old, administered to millions of people around the world, and there is not one frigen crediable study anywhere? really?

Even this group of scientist today that were calling on the government to publish daily case reports on who got what vaccine and how many of those people were contracting the virus, being hospitalized, etc (which I agree with), were, in their own passive agressive Chilean cultural way, being super careful to not rock the boat.

What were they afraid they might not get invited to the Christmas party next year?
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Post by admin » Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:14 am

hopefully at tomorrow's minsal press briefing, some reporter finds a few vertabres, and hammers Paris with some real questions.

Not holding my breath, however.
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Post by admin » Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:50 am

so, in other news, study on brain damage and psychiatric disorders of patients that contracted covid, finds 1 in 3 covid survivors have some sort of issue.

https://www.sciencealert.com/study-sugg ... oblems/amp

I am pretty sure, we are going to find long term heart, lung, other types of damage.
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Post by admin » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:25 am

so the lawsuits are starting. An association of women small business owners has filed for an injunction against the government over the arbitrary descrimination with new meassures.

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Economia/ ... demia.html

Here is the thing, so far, the government has mannged to mostly dodge the courts on a lot of the issues of constitutionality of these emergency powers, simply by keeping it short. They implement them, and by the time a challenge can be filed in court, they lift them.

Not sure that is going to fly this time, because the damages are real and ongoing to thousands of small businesses.

My sister in law for instance had her cloth and window roller business completely killed off by this latest lockdown, with zero government help. It depends on in person deliveries, and supplies from other companies.

Problem is, you break it, you buy it under the constitution.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:23 am

23 Page Instructivo effective today 7 April:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/gobcl-prod/pub ... 4.2021.pdf
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Post by jehturner » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:08 am

admin wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:50 am
so, in other news, study on brain damage and psychiatric disorders of patients that contracted covid, finds 1 in 3 covid survivors have some sort of issue.

https://www.sciencealert.com/study-sugg ... oblems/amp

I am pretty sure, we are going to find long term heart, lung, other types of damage.
Yep, FWIW my dad in the UK went from being almost fully-functional in his early 80s to having severe, unexplained psychiatric problems last year. After about 9 months of being unable to look after himself we thought he was gone, but then (after some period on medication) he rapidly improved to ~90% normal. They never did a coronavirus test until many months after it started, but did also find a weird clot on the lungs, amongst other symptoms that turn out to be associated with the virus.

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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by gringalais » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:50 am

admin wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:10 am
I think my bigger bone to pick here goes way beyond this one crappy study.

It is the complicity if the university of chile, Minsal and the government, colmed (AMA of chile), and the frigen media, to carefully tiptoe around asking even mildly obvious questions about the sinovac vaccine. Never mind any serious questions about the science.

This vaccine is over a year old, administered to millions of people around the world, and there is not one frigen crediable study anywhere? really?

Even this group of scientist today that were calling on the government to publish daily case reports on who got what vaccine and how many of those people were contracting the virus, being hospitalized, etc (which I agree with), were, in their own passive agressive Chilean cultural way, being super careful to not rock the boat.

What were they afraid they might not get invited to the Christmas party next year?
That is exactly how I feel. Basically, we are being told by the clown show, just trust us, go get your shot because "Yo me Vacuno", but we aren't getting any serious information and no one dares to ask the real questions that need answering. This point is definitely huge source of my anxiety about getting the Sinovac vaccine. Now my husband has started bugging me about going to get it. Supposedly there are rumblings about having to go back to the office at some point and he doesn't want to bring it home to me. I joked, "but didn't the Health Minister say you are immunized?" :lol: Yuck. I might have to.

That's terrible about your SIL, admin. So many small businesses are in the same boat and are not getting help. A good friend's husband has a small business and can't work right now due to the quarantines. I wonder what the economy is going to look like when this is all over and I imagine it's going to be pretty ugly with thousands of failed businesses and vacant storefronts.

Meanwhile, this is happening:

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Economia/ ... demia.html

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Post by admin » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:27 pm

As bad as everything is in Latin America right now, I believe it is about to get way worse.

https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/argenti ... ests.phtml

Easter weekend, is not even registering yet. Gringos, even fairly religious ones, from the northern hemisphere seem to not appreciate how big a holiday Easter is in Latin America.

Even worse, there is just sufficient time for those new cases contracted over Easter weekend, to cross paths with the upcoming elections next weekend in Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador.

Brace for impact. PDT_Armataz_01_23
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:57 pm

The new text says that those whose business is based from home can work and deliver products. Not clear if this refers to just artesanales or whatever home business.

LIke I said, a major clusterfuck, imagine micromanaging the economic activity of an entire country by a committee of heads up their asses technocrats.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:27 pm

gringalais wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:50 am
That is exactly how I feel. Basically, we are being told by the clown show, just trust us, go get your shot because "Yo me Vacuno", but we aren't getting any serious information and no one dares to ask the real questions that need answering. This point is definitely huge source of my anxiety about getting the Sinovac vaccine.
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Post by admin » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:14 pm

U.K., varienient is now the dominate strain circulating in the united States.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... ant-in-u-s
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