coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:12 am

Flatten the curve mierda!
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:18 am

41southchile wrote:
Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:03 am
So now the WHO is saying lockdowns are causing harm (which everyone pretty much knew months ago) , increasing poverty, etc, and say they should only have ever been used as a last resort or to buy time for countries to prepare.
How come they are just saying this now?
Was it the Who that recomended continual lockdowns in the first place?
I'm confused 😕.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid- ... IMKOYXLRU/
first they were against them. then they were for them. now they are against them again.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by RuneTheChookcha » Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:37 pm

Ministry of Health recommends the use of masks inside the houses in Magallanes

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... anes.shtml

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Post by admin » Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:36 pm

RuneTheChookcha wrote:
Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:37 pm
Ministry of Health recommends the use of masks inside the houses in Magallanes

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... anes.shtml

:|
That is about as moronic as spraying streets with crap.

yea, next they will want to spray deadly chemicals in the houses.

yes, in theory it would stop the spread, if 100% maintained at all times like in a hospital setting; but, do you really think anyone will actually be able maintain that for more than a short while.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by 41southchile » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:34 am

RuneTheChookcha wrote:
Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:37 pm
Ministry of Health recommends the use of masks inside the houses in Magallanes

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... anes.shtml

:|
They are now saying the Magallanes cases maybe a different strain, easier to transmite or something like that, and that if the whole country was having the same rates as what they are getting down there, the country would be getting 25000 cases a day.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

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41southchile wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:34 am
RuneTheChookcha wrote:
Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:37 pm
Ministry of Health recommends the use of masks inside the houses in Magallanes

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... anes.shtml

:|
They are now saying the Magallanes cases maybe a different strain, easier to transmite or something like that, and that if the whole country was having the same rates as what they are getting down there, the country would be getting 25000 cases a day.
I am not buying that crap.

show me the peer reviewed science, and chile is not exactly a big winner of nobel prizes in science overall; let alone genetics, chemistry, etc.

a little too politically convient to wave their hands at a vague claim of a "new dangerous strain"; that could takes months or years to prove and confirm.

extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence.

the simple fact is they reacted too late to that region, as they focused resources on the central region. same crap happening in los lagos. It is much easier to prevent an epidemic, than put the geine back in the bottle once it is out.
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Post by admin » Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:50 am

rember, down there, it is still winter conditions.

in fact, if you follow the reduction of cases on a map, it is sort of following the temperature increases as spring takes hold. more people still indoors. less open windows. less direct sun light. less hours in the day. more wood smoke contamination still going on.

I suspect, little by little, los lagos will also start seeing a reduction as the temps increase.

I am still shocked by how little people are venting houses, buildings, and other public spaces.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by 41southchile » Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:07 pm

admin wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:44 am
41southchile wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:34 am
RuneTheChookcha wrote:
Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:37 pm
Ministry of Health recommends the use of masks inside the houses in Magallanes

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... anes.shtml

:|
They are now saying the Magallanes cases maybe a different strain, easier to transmite or something like that, and that if the whole country was having the same rates as what they are getting down there, the country would be getting 25000 cases a day.
I am not buying that crap.

show me the peer reviewed science, and chile is not exactly a big winner of nobel prizes in science overall; let alone genetics, chemistry, etc.

a little too politically convient to wave their hands at a vague claim of a "new dangerous strain"; that could takes months or years to prove and confirm.

extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence.

the simple fact is they reacted too late to that region, as they focused resources on the central region. same crap happening in los lagos. It is much easier to prevent an epidemic, than put the geine back in the bottle once it is out.
Admittedly it is a report Aljazera

https://www.ALJAZEERA IS BANNED/news/2020/10/ ... n-in-chile

And the link doesn't work it seems, a news search of "Al Jazeera Chile" brings up the article
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by 41southchile » Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:15 pm

admin wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:50 am
rember, down there, it is still winter conditions.

in fact, if you follow the reduction of cases on a map, it is sort of following the temperature increases as spring takes hold. more people still indoors. less open windows. less direct sun light. less hours in the day. more wood smoke contamination still going on.

I suspect, little by little, los lagos will also start seeing a reduction as the temps increase.

I am still shocked by how little people are venting houses, buildings, and other public spaces.
I dont know what percentage in Chile either
Doesn't give a shit
Doesn't understand how the virus is transmitted
Doesn't follow the rules because they come from government who they don't trust.
But it seems strange the cases are still increasing in Puerto Montt nearly three months after lockdown.
It sounds like they are going to throw the towel in and there will be some lifting if restrictions anyway this week, despite the numbers. So its all a show really 🤔
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by Britkid » Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:03 pm

In my experience of talking to people the majority of people in Chile, especially working class, don't make any independent assessment of how to behave given the virus. They don't read the science unless it appears on TV while they happen to be watching or in their facebook feed. Remember, few people here, again especially working class, read or study anything of any length unless required to do so as part of school, University, or a course. Internet here is mostly only social media. So people don't give themselves the knowledge to be able to make any better judgements than what the rules are.

They are just following the rules. Either out of respect for rules, respect for the government knowing more about what decisions to take for them, or simply out of a desire to avoid trouble with the police or public embarassment.

In the main though, the respect for rules and common sense is not bad here.

If you think about it, COVID in the US and possibly some other places actually stoked anti government feeling while in Chile it actually quieted it down.

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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by 41southchile » Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:18 pm

Britkid wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:03 pm
In my experience of talking to people the majority of people in Chile, especially working class, don't make any independent assessment of how to behave given the virus. They don't read the science unless it appears on TV while they happen to be watching or in their facebook feed. Remember, few people here, again especially working class, read or study anything of any length unless required to do so as part of school, University, or a course. Internet here is mostly only social media. So people don't give themselves the knowledge to be able to make any better judgements than what the rules are.

They are just following the rules. Either out of respect for rules, respect for the government knowing more about what decisions to take for them, or simply out of a desire to avoid trouble with the police or public embarassment.

In the main though, the respect for rules and common sense is not bad here.

If you think about it, COVID in the US and possibly some other places actually stoked anti government feeling while in Chile it actually quieted it down.
You hit the nail on the head, I think you're right it is mostly ignorance
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:26 am

41southchile wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:18 pm
Britkid wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:03 pm
In my experience of talking to people the majority of people in Chile, especially working class, don't make any independent assessment of how to behave given the virus. They don't read the science unless it appears on TV while they happen to be watching or in their facebook feed. Remember, few people here, again especially working class, read or study anything of any length unless required to do so as part of school, University, or a course. Internet here is mostly only social media. So people don't give themselves the knowledge to be able to make any better judgements than what the rules are.

They are just following the rules. Either out of respect for rules, respect for the government knowing more about what decisions to take for them, or simply out of a desire to avoid trouble with the police or public embarassment.

In the main though, the respect for rules and common sense is not bad here.

If you think about it, COVID in the US and possibly some other places actually stoked anti government feeling while in Chile it actually quieted it down.
You hit the nail on the head, I think you're right it is mostly ignorance
Yea, Chileans, especially the younger generation, their entire education seems to begin and end with social media, and they can not seem to distinguish between crap on facebook, instagram, vs. reality.

Definitely critical thinking is in short supply, and they seem to recoil at any attempt to get them to think any deeper than the next social media post. very pavlovian.

There is a fine line between 'obeying' a rule and 'following' a rule.

I think Chileans are mostly obeying the rules; but, oddly, at the same time, there seems to be a desire to have rules or structure imposed on them. which, is not something the government here is particularly good at, and thus tend to do whatever they want.

As patriarchal as it sounds, probably because it is a patriarchal society, Chileans are rather like teenagers. They want to push the limits until someone imposes some structure on them, and then they are rather happy when it is imposed on them. Like they would prefer to be drones and not have the hassel of making their own decisions, when they could get the government or someone else to think for them.
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