coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:07 pm

so, here is a study of covid vs. 1918 flue in New York.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamane ... le/2769236

They conclude, that given the improvement in modern medical technology, covid is as deadly or potentially more deadly than the 1918 flue (which was just an H1N1 flue).
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Post by admin » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:14 pm

which, when you look at the countries with no healthcare system able to cope, it does seem to be following similar trends.

In the u.s. there was an estimate of 650,000 deaths in 1918 flue, but that was over a 4 year flue period. we are only 6 months in to this, and the United States is at 166,000 official, and it is certain there are far, far more deaths in the United States yet to be counted. The u.s. will probably surpass those deaths, even when adjusted for population by the time this is over. now, extrapolate to the rest of the world.

there was a report out of the slums of Mumbai, that like 57% of the people tested positive for antibodies.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by Huelshoff » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:20 pm

hlf2888 wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:18 pm
eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:05 pm
admin wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:09 pm
I would recommend listening to the guys with the guns at the airport, that are in charge of turning you around and sending you back from where you came from vs. an airline lobbying organization.
Who also enjoy power games like the mujer PDI official who gave me a hard time because my carnet was recently expired. Dumb me, I should know better after dealing with US CBP that you avoid if possible the young and/or female officials if you don't want high blood pressure.
haha, the exuberance and efficiency of the young and female. All the countries would be in a lot better state if governed by women.
There is a good deal of data to back that up.

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Post by admin » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:27 pm

here is a breakdown of the behavior of the 1918 flue in chile for comparison:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4214284/
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by 41southchile » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:39 pm

scandinavian wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:59 am
You missed Colombia which is also at record number of cases and deaths! The neighborhood is very much on fire.
If all the Chileans (and foreigners in Chile) would have a look around, perhaps they would appreciate the COVID response by the government? Yes, they have certainly made mistakes (as all other countries), but if you look at the most important factor in my opinion - Deaths - then I would say they have done quite well. A large part of that is due to how they managed to drastically increase intensive care capacity across the country, which meant that the health system never collapsed. Keeping in mind that the Chilean numbers seem to reflect reality (excess mortality is very close to the official weekly numbers that include probable deaths), whereas I have very serious doubts about the stats in practically all the other LATAM countries.
You are correct, there wasn't exactly a playbook to go by in dealing with this and every country has in their own way had to work it out as they went along .
The response has generally been a reflection of the countries political society and social cohesion.
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U.S where there were mixed messages from state and federal levels, political divisions, and just the overall geographic size and large population, plus a narcissistic president .

New Zealand small isolated islands at the end of the world with a small population and empathetic leader whose specialty is communications and a generally cohesive egelaterian society.

Chile, small population, with 1st world health services that could be utilized as part of overall strategy, but a strange mix of technocrats mixed with an over bloated public service. Political elites out of touch with those outside their class clashing with an obstructionist opposition that prefer their own agenda to the countries well being .

Something like that.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:39 pm

well, I am afraid the U.S. is all but baking in a holucaust this fall.

winter flue season, school starting, and an election.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by Huelshoff » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:56 pm

And Trump declared today that Biden will kill all the cows “and other animals.”

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Post by tiagoabner » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:45 pm

A team of Brazilian researchers has filled a patent today for a Covid serum using horse antibodies. Article (in Portuguese):

http://cnpq.br/web/guest/noticiasviews/ ... 7/10045182

It seems to be a spin on the snake bite serum, which makes sense. The researchers responsible for the patent work at FioCruz, an institute that works mostly on antivenom serums. Hopefully, it will lead to a viable treatment.
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tiagoabner wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:45 pm
A team of Brazilian researchers has filled a patent today for a Covid serum using horse antibodies. Article (in Portuguese):

http://cnpq.br/web/guest/noticiasviews/ ... 7/10045182

It seems to be a spin on the snake bite serum, which makes sense. The researchers responsible for the patent work at FioCruz, an institute that works mostly on antivenom serums. Hopefully, it will lead to a viable treatment.
can not recall what the vaccine is, but the horse serium trick is fairly tried and true method. I want to say it was done with polio or mengitius vaccines to increase the volume, but can not recall.
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Post by admin » Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:42 pm

Huelshoff wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:56 pm
And Trump declared today that Biden will kill all the cows “and other animals.”
oddly, that was one of the more coherent bits of jibberish to come out of his mouth recently. :lol:
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:56 pm

so I was running some numbers to try and put into context this comparison of the 1918 flu to covid.

50 million dead by the 1918 flue. I have seen much higher estimates, with over 40 million just in India. but, let's go with 50 million.

covid, without a vaccine, estimated to kill 1% of those that contract it. some places higher than other, but that seems the going rate, comes out at around a potential 57 million dead, if left to run its full course over many years.

the catch, in 1918 there was only 1.8 billion people in the world.

so, yea, in absolute numbers they are comparable. as a percentage of the population, a bit different.

I am certain about of one thing. The chances we are all going to be dead of something by the time that debate is settled is about: 100%

That study is disturbing on the level that we really have not done much better, given all the technology that was thrown at it.

I seen this brought up in some interviews. We live in a world where we assume, given sufficient resources, modern medicine will sort it out, vs. say in 1918 where people were use to pandemics and other ho hum medical issues killing people off. Which is really more marketing spin by the medical industry than reality, especially for the poorest parts of the World (and Americans :cry: :shock: ).
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Post by admin » Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:03 pm

FYI, that still would be an expected 2.5 million dead in the United States for covid vs. 650,000 in 1918
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