coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:28 pm

Government Report:

2,371 new cases, 338,759 total confirmed cases

18,490 active cases

116 new deaths, 8,838 total deaths (as reported to the civil register in the last 24 hour).

498 ventilators available

258 critical

18,867 tests conducted, 1,464,640 total tests completed,

110 labs, 25,000 test a day capacity

14% reduction in new cases in 7 days

31% reduction in 40 days

13% positive tests
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:32 pm

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so we have a cheap and easy vaccine, that is proven to work, but no one wants to fund it or produce it because it will cut in to the profits of the pharmaceutical companies.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2 ... ail-to-act
Big pharma shouldn't be able to stand in the way of plasma therapy (not a vaccine per se). You'd think enough governments involved at this point could get them out of the way
well, pharma is interested if they can modify it to make it patentable

https://amp.theguardian.com/science/202 ... -treatment
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:24 pm

U.S. just passed 4 million confirmed cases.

just 15 days to cross the 4th million.

Testing is now widely delayed over two weeks with a massive backlog of tests.

CDC antibody survey is estimating now from 10x to 20x the official confirmed number have had covid. so, read that number as at least 40 to 80 million cases.

another study estimates over 40% of the American population is at risk of severe covid complications, due to having at least 1 of the top comorbidities.

The American health system, the best money can not buy.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by Billhere » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:56 pm

CNN News two night ago predicting 18000 deaths in the next six weeks.

I watch Erin Burnett on the Out Front News where COVID is about the only thing they focus on, and to hear the Doctors on the ground quite clearly frustrated with the ourpourings from Washington is quite revealing.

I don't know how good it all is, but it comes on at midnight here and is better to watch that the other offerings at that time of night.

The plasma possibility is still undergoing testing in the UK, and like the possible vaccine would not be available until late this year, if then. Also in conjunction with the Netherlands and Sweden the UK has struck a deal with Astro Zenaca, the pharmacutical producers, to produce 300 million shots when the vaccine is okeyed, and to be supplied at cost rather than making a profit. Enough has been earmarked to immunise most of the UK when it happens.

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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:19 pm

so trying to get an update on how the nieghborhood is doing.


bolivia

president has covid

2,300 or so official deaths, but police collected nearly 500 bodies in just two towns in 5 days. so, yea, I just assume they are doing little to nothing.

Argentina

has a rather big spike going on. over 6,000 new cases today, and they are averaging over 100 deaths a day now. they were set to lift restrictions, but that looks like it is going to reverse.


Peru

they were opening up

17,654 dead

115,000 cases

Brazil?

not even sure these numbers are even remotely capturing the explosion of cases, but....

67,000+ new cases

1,200 deaths

WHO thinks they can handle it?

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/arti ... es-plateau
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by mem » Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:28 am

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yea, I don't even know how to start listing the reasons I will never touch a Chinese vaccine.

I am not anti-vaccine, I am anti-Chinese vaccine.

Let me put it this way, I won't buy egg rolls made in China. I sure as hell am not touching a chinese vaccine.

I have seen first hand the way Chinese conduct scientific research. I taught at a Chinese research university. I have seen them do everything from falsifying data, to leaving thousands of research animals dying in pain, to contaminating other scientists research out of simple carelessness and lack of understanding of basic lab protocols. The most common, is a complete lack of grip on plagiarism in conducting research. It is one thing to copy someone else's research without giving credit. It is a complete other thing to copy research they don't even understand what it is and how use it.

Forget about medical ethics. Does not exist. That is a whole other long cultural debate.

At best, and hopefully, they are just ripping off someone's formula that knew what they were doing, and they are able to accurately replicate it.
I was looking into this china/Chile vaccine and comparing it to the other vaccine candidates for its design and structure

Apparently all three...Cansino(china/chile), Moderna, and Innovio, are all "novel" messenger RNA vaccines (no pun intended)

All three are an entirely new type of "vaccine", in fact calling it a vaccine may actually be a stretch in anything other than a colloquial sense. Like calling plasma therapy a "vaccine".

Good information in this article about these for those interested in the makeup

https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/vac ... nes/98/i14

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Post by admin » Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:41 am

so china is offering a 1 billion dollar loan to latin American countries to buy their chinese vaccine. how nice of them.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/23/amer ... index.html

just a few problems with that. o.k. a lot of problems.

There was a report out last week that one of these Chinese vaccines is using the exact same technology as the oxford vaccine, but it does not work. believe it was sinovac, that is also planning a phase III trial in Chile. It is the same one they gave to the Chinese military, before the phase III trial.

seems the typical Chinese way of 'monkey see, monkey do' scientific research, left out the monkey this time.

Rather than using a monkey based virus as the delivery method in the vaccine like the oxford vaccine (long story), the Chinese decided to use a human cold virus instead.

well, seems that was a big mistake. our immune systems get bored too and needs to be entertained with new things and the cold virus was just another rerun to it. Thus, the vaccine failed to activate the immune system to produce covid-19 antibodies, as everyone has had a cold before. The immune system just neutralized it as an existing virus it had already had.

The oxford on the other hand produced several different types of antibodies.

It is a classic problem among all technology that China copies. They simply lack that last key piece of intellectual experience and know how to make things work, and insist on making it 'Chinese' with some tweak. Everything from F-35 copy to high end computer chips, have failed out of China. Typically making it very obvious what tech they stole, and where they stole it from.
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Post by admin » Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:47 am

moderna smells like a penny stock pumping scam to me. they seem to issue more public relations b.s than scientific data, followed by executives selling shares. all from a company that has never produced a product.

now, they seem to have a big problem with their patents.

https://finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/ ... 46803.html
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Post by admin » Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:15 pm

The screwed up thing, we are still not putting any real.effort or resources in to stopping the next virus.

we are averaging two viruses a year now jumping from animals to humans, that we know of.

study on the cost to stop the next virus: about $11 billion dollars and change.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/369/6502/379

funny, I made a back of the napkin guesstimate some time ago that this all could have been avoided for about the coast of a single aircraft carrier. I just picked an aircraft carrier, because It would do more to protect people and stop more conflict than an aircraft carrier, and cost about $ 11 billion dollars.
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Post by nwdiver » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:59 pm

mem wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:28 am
admin wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:08 am
yea, I don't even know how to start listing the reasons I will never touch a Chinese vaccine.

I am not anti-vaccine, I am anti-Chinese vaccine.

Let me put it this way, I won't buy egg rolls made in China. I sure as hell am not touching a chinese vaccine.

I have seen first hand the way Chinese conduct scientific research. I taught at a Chinese research university. I have seen them do everything from falsifying data, to leaving thousands of research animals dying in pain, to contaminating other scientists research out of simple carelessness and lack of understanding of basic lab protocols. The most common, is a complete lack of grip on plagiarism in conducting research. It is one thing to copy someone else's research without giving credit. It is a complete other thing to copy research they don't even understand what it is and how use it.

Forget about medical ethics. Does not exist. That is a whole other long cultural debate.

At best, and hopefully, they are just ripping off someone's formula that knew what they were doing, and they are able to accurately replicate it.
I was looking into this china/Chile vaccine and comparing it to the other vaccine candidates for its design and structure

Apparently all three...Cansino(china/chile), Moderna, and Innovio, are all "novel" messenger RNA vaccines (no pun intended)

All three are an entirely new type of "vaccine", in fact calling it a vaccine may actually be a stretch in anything other than a colloquial sense. Like calling plasma therapy a "vaccine".

Good information in this article about these for those interested in the makeup

https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/vac ... nes/98/i14

Yes, looking at the mechanism these “vaccines” use it appears to be more of a probiotic than traditional vaccine....I have no problem with that if it works, and yes I understand vaccines are probiotics...
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:46 pm

Government Report:

2,545 new cases, 341,304 total confirmed cases

18,694 active cases

76 new deaths, 8,914 total deaths (as reported to the civil register in the last 24 hour).

527 ventilators available

1,636 in ICU, critical 239

21,071 tests conducted, 1,485,711 total tests completed,
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:10 pm

here is an interesting article on herd immunity in practice works, and new models showing it could work with as low as 20% of a population having been exposed; however, with a lot of catches.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... us/614035/
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