coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Sat May 01, 2021 12:58 pm

This interview on NPR about india is well worth a listen,

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/01/99267016 ... 9-rages-on

the reporter interviewed in india, lost a family member last night, 3 or 4 friends in the last couple weeks, and says every household in her building has positive cases.

India is shaping up to repeat of the 1918 pandemic.

I seen stat the other day India spends less than 2% of GDP on healthcare, having privatized most of the healthcare system. In reality, due to lots of other projects being added on to the national healthcare budget that have nothing to do with healthcare, they spend 0,34% on healthcare. A covid vaccine in india, will set someone back half a months wages.

so next time some little wanker from the left does the, "but Chile is the most unequal country in the World" bullshit, tell them get a passport and go see the rest of World first.
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Post by Britkid » Sat May 01, 2021 3:18 pm

New Vaccine schedule

The pace is picking up a bit from Monday, as I predicted earlier, given the smaller number of people needing second doses in May.

May 3rd - 44 years old then 43,42,41,40 for the rest of that week
The week after 39-35 year olds has already been announced as well

Source: https://twitter.com/mevacuno?lang=en

The twitter gets updated before https://www.gob.cl/yomevacuno/ so it´s best to look on twitter on Friday afternoons and Saturdays which seems to be when the schedule comes out

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Post by admin » Sat May 01, 2021 5:29 pm

here is the announcement, 44 to 40 next week, 39 to 35 year olds the week after.

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... venes.html

they bought another 3 milion sinovac. in spite of the claims not being short of vaccine, sure sounds like they were short of vaccines.
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Post by chilly » Sat May 01, 2021 8:05 pm

admin wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:23 am
tiagoabner wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:06 am
admin wrote:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:19 pm
appears Argentina had a problem. they received a shipment of covidshield (astrazenica from india), used it all to provide the first shot, now India is not exporting anymore and astrazenica directly says they can not provide shots because of their other production problems leaving like half a milion people without their second shot.

https://www.eldia.com/
Paris in Chile has been criticized a lot for not opening up vaccination for everybody, and saving vaccines for the second doses. However, the logistics chain issues that have been popping up as of late makes it look like their decision wasn't wrong, especially considering that you need a second dose to get a decent level of protection.
Yea, for all the flack they have gotten, we would have around 1 million people fully vaccinated and actually protected, had they tried to give a shot to everyone early on and hope for the best for arrival of supplies to give the second shot.

I just read about a women in Brazil, got her first sinovac shot, and died two weeks later before getting the second one. we have lots of those stories, and plenty of data now that the sinovac is pretty useless with one shot.
Just to post the reference that a single dose in Chile was calculated at 3% effective. Chile administers 93% Sinovac, 7% Pfizer. Unfortunately "pretty useless" is not an exaggeration.

https://www.uchile.cl/noticias/174186/r ... s-en-chile

(translated title)
After 14 days of the second dose
Vaccines against SARS-CoV2 show 56.5 percent effectiveness in preventing infections
A study led by academics from the University of Chile also identified that a single application of the vaccine provides protection against infections of only 3 percent.

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Post by admin » Sat May 01, 2021 11:00 pm

chilly wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 8:05 pm
admin wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:23 am
tiagoabner wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:06 am
admin wrote:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:19 pm
appears Argentina had a problem. they received a shipment of covidshield (astrazenica from india), used it all to provide the first shot, now India is not exporting anymore and astrazenica directly says they can not provide shots because of their other production problems leaving like half a milion people without their second shot.

https://www.eldia.com/
Paris in Chile has been criticized a lot for not opening up vaccination for everybody, and saving vaccines for the second doses. However, the logistics chain issues that have been popping up as of late makes it look like their decision wasn't wrong, especially considering that you need a second dose to get a decent level of protection.
Yea, for all the flack they have gotten, we would have around 1 million people fully vaccinated and actually protected, had they tried to give a shot to everyone early on and hope for the best for arrival of supplies to give the second shot.

I just read about a women in Brazil, got her first sinovac shot, and died two weeks later before getting the second one. we have lots of those stories, and plenty of data now that the sinovac is pretty useless with one shot.
Just to post the reference that a single dose in Chile was calculated at 3% effective. Chile administers 93% Sinovac, 7% Pfizer. Unfortunately "pretty useless" is not an exaggeration.

https://www.uchile.cl/noticias/174186/r ... s-en-chile

(translated title)
After 14 days of the second dose
Vaccines against SARS-CoV2 show 56.5 percent effectiveness in preventing infections
A study led by academics from the University of Chile also identified that a single application of the vaccine provides protection against infections of only 3 percent.
Yea, that was posted several week back when it was released.

the big debate was the second shot 14 days vs 28 days later, and it seems there is a big difference in the effectiveness.
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Post by admin » Sun May 02, 2021 6:28 am

The thing of concern is that where they were giving that sinovac on a 14 day schedule, they got a lot of questionable protection. believe it was brazil and one of the middle east countries where there was some signs that people were getting sick after the second shot and they were doing it on the 14 day schedule.
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Post by for31 » Sun May 02, 2021 11:40 am

admin wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 6:28 am
The thing of concern is that where they were giving that sinovac on a 14 day schedule, they got a lot of questionable protection.
Very true indeed. I don't know when the schedule was changed (from 14 to 28 days), but now the interval between the doses is 28 days (at least in Santiago). It's worth noting that the original paper (Y. Zhang et al., Lancet, November 17, 2020) does suggest 28 days interval to be more effective.

Another interesting quote from this very paper:

" .. although several studies have found that antibody responses generated from natural infection with coronaviruses (eg, SARS-CoV-2, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus, and Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus) might decrease substantially over time, reinfection in these patients has rarely been reported, which indicates that immunological memory might have an important role of prevention of re-infections. Therefore, the antibody level itself might not be the key for a successful COVID-19 vaccine, but rather the establishment of a recallable specific immune response to SARS-CoV-2."

Wishful thinking or a sign of hope ? :roll:

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Post by admin » Sun May 02, 2021 11:56 am

Their "study" was complete shit.

If that had that been one of my freshman students in my research writing courses I would have flunked them. Perhaps a passable high-school science project.

If that is the level of "research" being done at the top universities in Chile, fire them all and cut their funding.
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Post by admin » Sun May 02, 2021 2:41 pm

Dr. has an interesting one today.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i195K2vYfnY

study showing covid antibodies in itally, September 2019. found in blood samples preserved from a lung cancer study. found in 111 of 956 samples, or 11%.

that is a hell of lot of exposure in the wild.
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Post by hlf2888 » Sun May 02, 2021 2:49 pm

admin wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 11:00 pm
chilly wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 8:05 pm
admin wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:23 am
tiagoabner wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:06 am
admin wrote:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:19 pm
appears Argentina had a problem. they received a shipment of covidshield (astrazenica from india), used it all to provide the first shot, now India is not exporting anymore and astrazenica directly says they can not provide shots because of their other production problems leaving like half a milion people without their second shot.

https://www.eldia.com/
Paris in Chile has been criticized a lot for not opening up vaccination for everybody, and saving vaccines for the second doses. However, the logistics chain issues that have been popping up as of late makes it look like their decision wasn't wrong, especially considering that you need a second dose to get a decent level of protection.
Yea, for all the flack they have gotten, we would have around 1 million people fully vaccinated and actually protected, had they tried to give a shot to everyone early on and hope for the best for arrival of supplies to give the second shot.

I just read about a women in Brazil, got her first sinovac shot, and died two weeks later before getting the second one. we have lots of those stories, and plenty of data now that the sinovac is pretty useless with one shot.
Just to post the reference that a single dose in Chile was calculated at 3% effective. Chile administers 93% Sinovac, 7% Pfizer. Unfortunately "pretty useless" is not an exaggeration.

https://www.uchile.cl/noticias/174186/r ... s-en-chile

(translated title)
After 14 days of the second dose
Vaccines against SARS-CoV2 show 56.5 percent effectiveness in preventing infections
A study led by academics from the University of Chile also identified that a single application of the vaccine provides protection against infections of only 3 percent.
Yea, that was posted several week back when it was released.

the big debate was the second shot 14 days vs 28 days later, and it seems there is a big difference in the effectiveness.
when was it more effective, at 14 or 28 days? Here in Canada with Pfizer and Moderna they are saying 90+ days between first and second. Got first Moderna last week, they told me to book the second for August. I wonder if anyone REALLY knows what they are doing and why.

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Post by Donnybrook2 » Sun May 02, 2021 2:59 pm

Because of my age I got the Sinovac in February, so early on. The second dose was exactly 28 days later. I don't know anyone who was given a second dose at 14 days. Perhaps this happened in other countries?

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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by for31 » Sun May 02, 2021 3:15 pm

admin wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 11:56 am
Their "study" was complete shit.
:mrgreen: Well, that's another story. The point is - while the study could be well off in absolute terms, intrinsically their numbers within the scope of the research should be comparable (again, hopefully. It could be quite a bold assumption too). Which means having a longer interval between the doses is indeed beneficial ;)

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