coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by RuneTheChookcha » Sat May 08, 2021 6:43 pm

"...this Saturday the Third Chamber of the Valparaíso Court of Appeals decided that falsifying a permiso de desplazamiento from the Comisaría Virtual does not constitute a crime..." (but rather an "administrative offense").

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... lito.shtml
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by Space Cat » Sat May 08, 2021 8:42 pm

admin wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 5:47 pm
chile passed 7,000,000 (46.5%) fully vaccinated with two doses, 8,500,000 (55.63%) with at least one dose, among the adult population.


don't think the numbers have been updated for today yet.
Count me as the 8,500,001st. Today at noon, a friend sent me a message that there was Pfizer available in local Clinica Alemana without age restrictions and a short queue (about 30 persons). We rushed there with our neighbors, and all got it around 1pm. Another friend who I notified was too slow, so only SinoVac's CoronaVac was left when he got a shot around 3pm (which is still good because he's in his mid-20s and there are three more weeks before his age group's vaccination schedule).

Half the queue were people around 30-35 despite this week being for 40+ (ten years at once!). Probably too many folks in their 40s consider themselves immortal and skipped the vaccination, so the clinic ended up with lots of Pfizer doses that can't be stored outside of –70°C for more than five days.

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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Sun May 09, 2021 9:39 am

RuneTheChookcha wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 6:43 pm
"...this Saturday the Third Chamber of the Valparaíso Court of Appeals decided that falsifying a permiso de desplazamiento from the Comisaría Virtual does not constitute a crime..." (but rather an "administrative offense").

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... lito.shtml
Yea, they better hurry up with their vaccination program, because their quartine is falling apart fast now in the courts. Those are not the only cases.

I would point out though a couple things, to keep anyone readying this from getting frisky. It was ruled not a crime, because the fake permit did not have a QR code. thus, it was not a falsified public document.

admistrative fines still apply. those are being challenged in a different set of cases.
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Post by admin » Sun May 09, 2021 9:54 am

Like I ran in to a military checkpoint this week. as I am sitting there waiting my turn, I realized that checkpoint was illegal.

it was like 10 guys from the army, and one girl from the minister of health. no Carabineros nor PDI present. None of them have authority under the constitution to actually make a law enforcement stop nor detain anyone. They need at least one police officer to make the checkpoint legal.

That said, I applied the "Rule of Guns": He with the gun, makes the rules.

Or,

1. Guy with the gun is always right.

2. If the guy with the gun is wrong, see rule #1.

Put a little more crudely by chairman Mao, "all power flows from the barrel of a gun".

As there were 10 guys with automatic weapons, decided it would just be less paperwork for all concerned if I showed them my permission.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by gringalais » Sun May 09, 2021 10:16 am

Interesting, admin, I did not know that they were supposed to have a police officer at the checkpoint. The two times during this lockdown that I have seen checkpoints, they were only manned by military guys with guns. Both times they were stopping people going in the opposite direction so they didn't stop us. In one case we saw a bunch of cars pull over to request their permits on their phones! :lol:

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Post by admin » Sun May 09, 2021 10:24 am

I think I told this story earlier too.

Friend of ours is a senior partner in one of the biggest and oldest law firms in chile. Her clients have deep pockets. well a bunch of them got fined / charged for violating the sanitary barriers.

There is a process in Chile that allows prosecutors to sort of unilaterally downgrade a crime or issue a unilateral plea agreement, and impose a fine. kind of like prosecutor's discretion in the states. a bit different. long story, but the charges need to be below certain thresholds to qualify. so, they were downgrading the charges so they could quickly process all these cases, and also avoid any court challenges.

well, they kept doing that to people, so they could not challenge the charges in court. she sued the government, to have charges "upgraded" again so they could be challenged. she won, and the government chickened out and dropped the charges all together rather than push their luck in court. The prosecutors new it was not going to fly, and they don't have resources to defend thousands of cases coming across their desks everyday. never mind all the regular crime they have to deal with.

well, that was last year. what we are probabably starting to see now are those sorts of cases make it through the appeals process, and it is not going well for the administration.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Sun May 09, 2021 10:27 am

gringalais wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 10:16 am
Interesting, admin, I did not know that they were supposed to have a police officer at the checkpoint. The two times during this lockdown that I have seen checkpoints, they were only manned by military guys with guns. Both times they were stopping people going in the opposite direction so they didn't stop us. In one case we saw a bunch of cars pull over to request their permits on their phones! :lol:
well, that is arguable and as my father, a prosecutor, use to say, "you will never win an argument on the street with a cop (or a soldier with a gun)". :lol:
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Post by admin » Sun May 09, 2021 10:34 am

and another court ruling against the government,

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... lica.shtml
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by gringalais » Sun May 09, 2021 10:34 am

Very true. We would have stopped if asked. We just happened to be leaving town both times when they were checking people heading into town.

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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Tue May 11, 2021 12:53 pm

So, yea, India's official death toll makes total sense.

Bodies are washing up on banks of the Ganges,

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-57061452

There seems to be conflicting reports. Some think it is families too poor to handle the barrel. Others say it is local officials, that are dumping the bodies.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Wed May 12, 2021 11:47 am

well, if covid was not sufficient of a nightmare alone, how about fungal infections to go with it. black fungus hitting Indian covid patients in a scarry high amount.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5020060001
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by gringalais » Wed May 12, 2021 12:54 pm

That fungus is scary, as if having COVID wasn't enough.

I got my second dose today. Everything went very smoothly. My husband dropped me off at 8:45 right as the regional government truck was dropping off the vaccines. They were supposed to open up at 9:30 but opened early, at 9:10. I wondered if I was really in Chile! :lol: Including the observation period I was out of there by 9:46. Not bad at all. I had heard of some complaints in the RM about lack Pfizer, but that wasn't the case here.

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