coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:54 pm

so mexico has 129 million people, and has only 251 cases as of yesterday?

one of the biggest transit points in the Americas, both legal and illegal, from all over the World, has only 251 cases?

yea, I buy that. That sounds realistic.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by Andres » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:29 am

bert.douglas wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:44 pm
I am engineer type. I like numbers. I have tried, unsuccessfully, to find hard information about the accuracy of any of the various tests. It is just not there. The info is being kept secret. This tells me that the tests are really bad.

It is like when you go to a website to buy something, and instead of a price, you see "call for quote". That tells you it will be expensive.
I too am an engineer.
I reject your conclusion that just because you were not able to find information about the accuracy of tests implies it is because it is being kept secret, and therefore the tests are very inaccurate.

I suggest it is worse than that: I suggest they have no idea how good the tests are, therefore they can not state what their accuracy is.

I have never worked in the health/biological environment. But I have done a lot of testing. Whenever something is tested (whether by doing a simple direct measurement or performing a series of steps and observing results), one must always "test the test" and baseline/compare the results against facts known from an alternative source.

How are they going to know the accuracy of a test (i.e. how many false positives and false negatives it produces) unless they have some firm knowledge of whether or not the sample (person or persons) tested REALLY HAS what they are testing for? You need some other dependable independent way to measure whether the sample really had or did not have what you are measuring for?
Autopsy might be one method. But, I will practically guarantee they do not know statistics of what the pathological manifestations are for the virus.

As I doubt the veracity of the tests (whose accuracies are unknown), I also doubt their statistics of supposedly how many CoronaVirus cases there have been. (Not even mentioning that there are probably many people who have had the virus and not been tested positive for it, and there are probably some deaths blamed on the Cvirus who were not tested and died of something else.)

I even doubt they "got the test right" on the first try . . . unless you tell me how they prove its efficacy.
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Post by nwdiver » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:14 am

The tests will not be certified (in any jurisdiction, well maybe the US allows then recalls faulty tests ;) ) if efficacy has not been proven......there will be a statistical variation allowed just saying. Been there done that
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by Fugger » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:16 am

admin wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:42 pm
not to mention graphing statistics over 16 days, with only 630 cases, etc, etc,

when this is over, we can go back and start mapping stats.

One thing I am certain of, historians will be working with a completely different set of statistics when they write the history books because everything we know now is pretty much wrong.
El Pais has copied the practice from the Financial Times whereby the daycount starts on the day where 100 infections have been reached (see below)
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Agreed about the quality of data. Everybody is driving more or less blindly.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:46 am

I was watching the doctor's sunday update.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kjTTn3RSm6c

It was really shocking to have him point out that Italy, just 4 weeks ago, had 1 death.

now well over 5,300, and 800 deaths just yesterday.

He says the real.n7mber is higher because people are choosing to die at home and in nursing homes; they are not being recorded at hospitals.

That is shocking acceleration, of everything.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by 41southchile » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:26 am

What the hell is the point of lockdown at night if you then get this shit the next morning, hundreds of people crowding metro and bus stops. Full lockdown for Santiago is only hours or days away I would guess with situations like this.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by Andres » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:43 am

Not sure whether it has been mentioned at allchile, but this website seems like a credible source of Corona Virus (and other) data:
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
https://swprs.org/corona-media-propaganda/

One of the topics discussed is why Italy has so many deaths compared to other countries.

On the latter webpage:
"Who discusses the well-known problems with virus test kits in general, and the missing clinical validation of the currently used virus test kit in particular?" (Links provided on the webpage.)

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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:14 am

41southchile wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:26 am
What the hell is the point of lockdown at night if you then get this shit the next morning, hundreds of people crowding metro and bus stops. Full lockdown for Santiago is only hours or days away I would guess with situations like this.
https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... lico.shtml
stupid idiots trying to have parties. they arrested a bus load at the central square of puerto varas for instance, shuttling people out to a party in the country side.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:16 am

Andres wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:43 am
Not sure whether it has been mentioned at allchile, but this website seems like a credible source of Corona Virus (and other) data:
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
https://swprs.org/corona-media-propaganda/

One of the topics discussed is why Italy has so many deaths compared to other countries.

On the latter webpage:
"Who discusses the well-known problems with virus test kits in general, and the missing clinical validation of the currently used virus test kit in particular?" (Links provided on the webpage.)

YMMV
we were talking to our friend from Italy.

she said the error that Italy made went like this.

virus was not taken seriously early on, and had already spread widely, especially among school age kids.

they closed the schools first, but not buisness in general.

mom and dad had to go to work.

gandma and grandpa were left to watch the kids that were already infected.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by 41southchile » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:22 am

admin wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:14 am
41southchile wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:26 am
What the hell is the point of lockdown at night if you then get this shit the next morning, hundreds of people crowding metro and bus stops. Full lockdown for Santiago is only hours or days away I would guess with situations like this.
https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... lico.shtml
stupid idiots trying to have parties. they arrested a bus load at the central square of puerto varas for instance, shuttling people out to a party in the country side.
Just reading that, idiots, 10 new cases in Los Lagos region too.
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Post by admin » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:22 am

I seen an interesting opinion piece in the paper, about development and the virus.

got me thinking.

essentially, this is the time we find out which countries really are developed, and which ones are just pretending.

my friend in peru is saying the numbers are not remotely accurate, because they are not testing and the healthcare system simply can not handle this.

Talked to my friend in Colombia. she seems to think the health care system there is better prepared and dealing with it; well, as much as any system can deal with it.

but, we are all about find out the hard way which emperor is really wearing no clothes.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:25 am

In short, the storm has arrived.

The next 60 to 90 days has the potential to be the worse days of everyone's life.
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