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Re: Corona Virus!

Post by 41southchile » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:44 pm

El Ping wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:52 pm
admin wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:07 am
41southchile wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:46 am
Australia and Nz citizens may have to go to Christmas island for Quarantine, some are saying they would rather stay and take their chances in Wuhan.
that is one way to quarantine people, just offer them an even worse alternative.
So they prefer to stay in some pestilential chinese hellhole rather than going home to mum and dad on a free RAAF flight with a 14 day holiday on Christmas Island thrown in. Thats OK by me.
That is the Indian Ocean Christmas Island not the Pacific one where they tested the H Bombs ... its the one with the casino aimed at the Singapore Chinese market....

Moving right along... I see a number of airlines have stopped flying to mainland China.... but are still flying to HK... that'll work.....
A wouldn't describe Wuhan as a pestilential hellhole. Not sure if their mum and dads are waiting for them, I'd imagine they are most likely business people or those with dual nationality possibly from other parts if asia, dont know their identities. Not sure if there is a casino there in Christmas island. Yeah the one in the Indian Ocean, it's an Australian detention centre that has seen a hell of a lot of protests and dubious behavior over the years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christm ... ion_Centre
Moving right along Hong Kong has sealed its border with China I believe...
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Re: Corona Virus!

Post by Ripsigg » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:14 pm

Just in case some didn't know this: It's not a disease limited to only those with Chinese DNA :)

I'm not concerned with catching it from some Chinese person. I'm more worried catching it from another American.

If Joe Blow catches it from an airline flight from San Francisco to Omaha and is asymptomatic, he can pass it along to me. I can just be standing in line at the Kum and Go and catch it. I can get very sick and go to the hospital.....but the hospital won't think it's the Wuhan coronavirus so won't even bother testing me. I can pass it along to a dozen other people and they won't know they got the Wuhan virus because no one is testing because there isn't a link to China.

And yes, I do think that the Wuhan virus is already in the wild in the US. I also think that some things will not be reported because the Chinese government isn't the only government that likes to hide things.

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Re: Corona Virus!

Post by 41southchile » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:30 pm

Ripsigg wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:14 pm
Just in case some didn't know this: It's not a disease limited to only those with Chinese DNA :)

I'm not concerned with catching it from some Chinese person. I'm more worried catching it from another American.

If Joe Blow catches it from an airline flight from San Francisco to Omaha and is asymptomatic, he can pass it along to me. I can just be standing in line at the Kum and Go and catch it. I can get very sick and go to the hospital.....but the hospital won't think it's the Wuhan coronavirus so won't even bother testing me. I can pass it along to a dozen other people and they won't know they got the Wuhan virus because no one is testing because there isn't a link to China.

And yes, I do think that the Wuhan virus is already in the wild in the US. I also think that some things will not be reported because the Chinese government isn't the only government that likes to hide things.
Exactly right, not exactly much to be done it's out in the worldnow, but its got to look someone is like doing something, and a lot if things wont come out probably,
whatever happens happens I guess. Its gonna screw the world economy big time and especially for countries dependent on Chinese money, whatever way it goes from here, it already is.
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Re: Corona Virus!

Post by El Ping » Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:05 am

41southchile wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:44 pm
El Ping wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:52 pm
admin wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:07 am
41southchile wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:46 am
Australia and Nz citizens may have to go to Christmas island for Quarantine, some are saying they would rather stay and take their chances in Wuhan.
that is one way to quarantine people, just offer them an even worse alternative.
So they prefer to stay in some pestilential chinese hellhole rather than going home to mum and dad on a free RAAF flight with a 14 day holiday on Christmas Island thrown in. Thats OK by me.
That is the Indian Ocean Christmas Island not the Pacific one where they tested the H Bombs ... its the one with the casino aimed at the Singapore Chinese market....

Moving right along... I see a number of airlines have stopped flying to mainland China.... but are still flying to HK... that'll work.....
A wouldn't describe Wuhan as a pestilential hellhole. Not sure if their mum and dads are waiting for them, I'd imagine they are most likely business people or those with dual nationality possibly from other parts if asia, dont know their identities. Not sure if there is a casino there in Christmas island. Yeah the one in the Indian Ocean, it's an Australian detention centre that has seen a hell of a lot of protests and dubious behavior over the years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christm ... ion_Centre
Moving right along Hong Kong has sealed its border with China I believe...
My bad, the casino went broke..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_Island_Resort
Didn't know casinos could do that......

Who knows who they are....young or old ... seems lots of chinese australians go back to visit the grandparents over summer... schools going back here just now... quite a few concerns about kids who have just returned...

Lots of confusion... nothing new for Sooty from Marketing...

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Re: Corona Virus!

Post by admin » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:35 am

El Ping wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:05 am
41southchile wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:44 pm
El Ping wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:52 pm
admin wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:07 am
41southchile wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:46 am
Australia and Nz citizens may have to go to Christmas island for Quarantine, some are saying they would rather stay and take their chances in Wuhan.
that is one way to quarantine people, just offer them an even worse alternative.
So they prefer to stay in some pestilential chinese hellhole rather than going home to mum and dad on a free RAAF flight with a 14 day holiday on Christmas Island thrown in. Thats OK by me.
That is the Indian Ocean Christmas Island not the Pacific one where they tested the H Bombs ... its the one with the casino aimed at the Singapore Chinese market....

Moving right along... I see a number of airlines have stopped flying to mainland China.... but are still flying to HK... that'll work.....
A wouldn't describe Wuhan as a pestilential hellhole. Not sure if their mum and dads are waiting for them, I'd imagine they are most likely business people or those with dual nationality possibly from other parts if asia, dont know their identities. Not sure if there is a casino there in Christmas island. Yeah the one in the Indian Ocean, it's an Australian detention centre that has seen a hell of a lot of protests and dubious behavior over the years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christm ... ion_Centre
Moving right along Hong Kong has sealed its border with China I believe...
My bad, the casino went broke..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_Island_Resort
Didn't know casinos could do that......

Who knows who they are....young or old ... seems lots of chinese australians go back to visit the grandparents over summer... schools going back here just now... quite a few concerns about kids who have just returned...

Lots of confusion... nothing new for Sooty from Marketing...
I have never been to wuhan specifically. Hangshan was as far west as I ever made it. In the same nieghborhood; but, the coronavirus is really the least of your concerns in most Chinese cities. There are a whole lot of other things that will kill you, both faster and slower.
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Re: Corona Virus!

Post by admin » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:40 am

you know i take that back. we might have given a guess lecture once west of wuhan at a rural school. I will have to ask my wife.

all I remember is endless hours on a bus of one big urban center, where there was no real distinction between cities.
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Re: Corona Virus!

Post by admin » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:53 am

when I was in china, there were two major scandals that had just broke.

one was the bottled water. there was a korean company that tested all the major brands, for their own employees working in china. they discovered that only like 10% of the bottled water on the shelf was safe to drink (in Shanghai). there was a whole industry of people recovering the used bottles from the garbage dumps, filling them with tap water (whole diffrent problem) and reselling them with sealed caps.

the other was syringes. they were doing the same with medical waist. the hospitals were buying repackaged used syringes. so you could go in to a hospital in china with the sniffles, and easily come out with something far worse (hepatitis, HIV, etc).

I highly doubt they have gotten a real handle on that problem.
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Re: Corona Virus!

Post by admin » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:27 am

so some new data out of china.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news ... -die-study

love how they put the scary unqualified click bait stats at the start of the article, and by the end of the article you are wondering what the big deal is.
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Re: Corona Virus!

Post by admin » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:51 am

so seems so far russia, north korea, and mongolia have closed their boarders with china so far.
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Re: Corona Virus!

Post by admin » Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:21 pm

well, seems the WHO has finally declared this a international health emergency.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/01/30/who ... gency.html

u.s. has also confirmed first human to human transmission.
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Re: Corona Virus!

Post by admin » Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:50 pm

here is a great article on the stats and assumptions right now.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/30/lim ... -outbreak/

basically all we know, is what we don't know.
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Re: Corona Virus!

Post by admin » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:27 pm

so I had a quick google around of the neighboring countries in spanish and Portuguese, but still only finding reports of suspected cases. none confirmed in south America. brazil looks like they have nine, with several people already testing negative and released. Columbia had three, two released. Argentina looks fine. nothing really in peru.

south America so far seems to be the only continent that is free.

again, this whole thing I suspect, if it is going to blow-up, will blow-up as the lunar new year ends. all the people that went back to china to visit friends and family, students, buisness people, etc, start traveling out in to the world as the holiday ends. probably also a lot more in bound to china travelers going back to school, buisness.

the lunar new year holiday, even without quarantines, sort of distorts normal china travel patterns. ironically, the holiday is just about the length of the suspected incubation period. I would call this at least end of February before there are any reliable stats pr projections.

one researcher said, we might simply have to live with it as just another virus that is in constant circulation among the human population from now on.
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