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Re: Corona Virus!

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:26 am
by admin
oh, it seems to be confirmed from multiple sources that people infected may not show any outward symptoms.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society ... o-symptoms

so much for the thermal image scan security theater being used at airports. even if they worked, 7 to 21 day incubation period is a hell of long time before someone shows a fever or other signs.

Re: Corona Virus!

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:03 pm
by mem
US gubmint planning to evac us diplomats and consulate employees (1000 people) from Wuhan on Sunday. Not sure how they are getting around that pesky global pandemic quarantine thing. Must be a few flights if it's that many, a 767 holds less than 300.

Hopefully no more Iran style "field mistakes" by the chinese military ahem

Re: Corona Virus!

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:13 pm
by mem
Yeah I'm seeing numbers all over from different news outlets and colleges on what they think the high number is for incubation. I dont think they knows 100% for sure yet with this strain(s).

Re: Corona Virus!

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:44 pm
by admin
"Nobody worries about influenza, but my guess is far more people will die from influenza this year than from any coronavirus," Poland said. "If this were pandemic influenza but we called it something exotic like 'novel coronavirus,' people would be out of their minds. Yet people don’t give it a second thought. We can’t even get them get flu vaccines."
i liked the way this expert put it in perspective.

Re: Corona Virus!

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:13 am
by admin
seems like we are just going to have to wait until this bug gets in to a country with a transparency culture in significant numbers to figure out what its real infection rates are and death rates.

which probably means waiting another 30 days for incubation to pass and the virus to take hold in a population with some sort of reporting standards.

because the stats out of china are just bullshit at this point.

Re: Corona Virus!

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:24 am
by admin
years ago when my wife and I were living in China, we are on a trip to a conference. We were riding in a van past a coal fired power plant. it was like 10 km away. our eyes were burning from the pollution. no scrubbers or anything like it on the plant, and we were up wind of the plant.

Our chinese government handler leans over with a giggle and says, "polution is also an official state secret".

Re: Corona Virus!

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:26 am
by mem
Looking at everything, it seems highly likely this will get to our continent. I cant find any follow up on the case suspicions in Brazil and Columbia.

Confirmed cases are increasing across the US. Australia and Europe has it as well. I'd be surprised if it is not confirmed in south America before 30 days elapse.

I cant understand it, but according to flightaware.com and flightradar24 flights are STILL departing and arriving in Wuhan. Flights not only departing wuhan for other parts of China like ahem Beijing. But even internationally...Cambodia, Russia, etc. I even confirmed those flights actually arrived at the destination airports today on Sunday. I just dont understand why they would be stopping train, bus, private car transport in Wuhan but letting flights out?!? The Intl media seems to not even know this. They report wuhan and a dozen other cities are "shutdown" or "under quarantine". But it seems like specific airlines have self imposed no fly versus something coming from top down by the chinese government or the wuhan airport itself


Ar any rate, this may put a damper on the post summer resurgence of the protests..in around 30 days

Re: Corona Virus!

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:30 am
by mem
Wuhan airport website showing departures for today

Flight to Osaka!
https://www.wuhan-airport.com/departures.php

I just dont understand how wuhan or Osaka is allowing this at this late stage

Re: Corona Virus!

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:54 pm
by admin
yea, they did just talk about this on cnn, with no answers as to why there is still all these regularly scheduled flights.

I think this quarantine is just a political posturing, so Beijing does not look week. You sort of need to understand how "face saving" works in China, and asia overall. The political powers that be, even in the face of a natural disaster, needs to look like they are in control (or, more powerful) than the threat; even if that is a rediculas thing to try and do.

Re: Corona Virus!

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:02 pm
by admin
looks like equador is reporting its first suspected case.

Re: Corona Virus!

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:04 pm
by admin
FYI, Equador is a major transit point from asia for illegal immigrants trying to get to the United states, due to a very liberal visa process for countries that are often otherwise blocked by other south American countries from entering.

Re: Corona Virus!

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:14 pm
by mem
Cambodia has its first confirmed case. Color me surprised when flights from wuhan were still landing in Cambodia yesterday! Heads are gonna roll at some point