The Economic Impact of the Social Crisis

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Re: The Economic Impact of the Social Crisis

Post by admin » Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:05 pm

my wife and I just spent the last week driving across the Patagonia, weaving in to and out of Argentina (5 crossings in 7 days), over 3,000 km so far. We just hit tierra del fuego this morning.

Everyone down here we have talked to pretty much has some version of the position 'this is all fucking Santiago's problem'.

By everyone, I mean I am talking chileans we have known for years, gringos that have lived here for decades, waiters, gas attendants at copecs, people in bars, etc, etc. even foreign tourists that are hardly aware of what is going on.

Santiago broke it, they can live with the consequences and Santiago needs to fix it.

None of it has any bearing on their life, beyond they screwed up their tourism season; and all these "social demands" are "urban social demands" and problems.

most don't even know what TAG is, what the metro looks like, etc, etc. They have gotten zero benefits from any of that crap, other than Santiago pissing money away on things they will never use, and what they do need gets delayed because of it.
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Re: The Economic Impact of the Social Crisis

Post by admin » Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:20 pm

oh, and no one here even understands how rewriting the constitution has anything to do with any of this crap; let alone, believes it will fix anything.

What everyone down here does know, the stupidity ruined their very very short tourism season.

FYI, 99% of the tourism down here, is foriegners; Chileans from the rest of Chile almost never come here, and when they do they are the absolute worst sorts of tourists. Either extremely new rich, bitchy, demanding, and extremely cheap; or, a handful of college kids camping out (and very few of those this year), with no understanding of how to camp without trashing the wilderness.

Chileans from Santiago for instance don't do adventure tourism, and pretty much everything down here is some sort of adventure tourism (driving on a dirt road is too much adventure for most of them).
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Re: The Economic Impact of the Social Crisis

Post by admin » Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:22 pm

The Argentinans are doing a better job of promoting and supporting tourism in the Chilean Patagonia, than the fucking Santiago government.
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Re: The Economic Impact of the Social Crisis

Post by admin » Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:40 pm

how do I put it?

The little fuckers in plaza itialia, as far as most the people down here are concerned, are the enemy as much as the political talking heads.

The little fuckers just robbed them of years of progress getting the government to move forward on projects and infrastructure that the people down here have been fighting for, sometimes for decades and generations. They were just starting to make real progress over the last 10 to 20 years.

Now all the money and political focus is on the central region and urban areas.

They got robbed twice.

because all the proposed solutions and the money for them is just going to circulate around banks in Santiago, and much of it foreign banks.

but, hey, the people down here are use to it. They have been getting screwed by Santiago for 100+ years; when Santiago pays attention to them at all.

Thus, exactly why they think of those kids in plaza Italia as a bunch of bitchy, spoiled, city kids at best; and, at worst just a bunch of urban roto criminales.

They don't speak for them, because the kids in plaza itialia don't know shit about the chile they live in. They have never been here; and most will never visit here (and that is probably a good thing).
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Re: The Economic Impact of the Social Crisis

Post by admin » Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:48 pm

you know what?

as I have been driving through these incredible places, it has just pissed me off more and more about these protesters and the politicians' "solutions".

I kept thinking, 'you fucking morons don't even know what an incredible country you live in'?

especialy as we have crossed almost every other day over the boarder to compare and contrast the Chilean patagonia to Argentina's Patagonia. Which is incredibly too, just they don't have 10% of the natural wonder to work with to start; let alone, a stable economy. but, somehow, they still manage to make the most of it, to make it work, even if that means running tours in to Chile for lack of things to do and see on their side.
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Re: The Economic Impact of the Social Crisis

Post by 41southchile » Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:31 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:51 pm


Yes indeed, Santiago now looks and feels very much like any other place in "Latin" or "South" America these days. Chile should be ejected out of the OECD (let's not mention the MASSIVE homeless and HUMAN shit in the street crisis in the USA while the elite mouthpiece pundits talk about more military intervention and spending...but I digress...) and really start comparing themselves to the the cultural and geographic region they are in reality a part.
Agree 100 percent, try telling that though to the dickheads that want Santiago public transport to be like Spain or a social security system like Norway , they actually say it with a straight face and I think they actually believe Chile should be able to have those things .
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Re: The Economic Impact of the Social Crisis

Post by 41southchile » Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:32 pm

tiagoabner wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:02 pm
I went to downtown Santiago today for a PDI appointment and it looked very run down. Lots of street sellers, lots of beggars and lots of people asking for money to support the protests on intersections. The smell was nauseating, a nice kid is human feces, piss and tear gas, with the occasional cigarette smoke mixed in.

There was a high number of closed businesses, and "rent" signs were everywhere. The protestors have managed to fuck up Chile above and beyond my expectations.
The sad part is, it's only just beginning.
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Re: The Economic Impact of the Social Crisis

Post by 41southchile » Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:35 pm

admin wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:05 pm


Santiago broke it, they can live with the consequences and Santiago needs to fix it.

None of it has any bearing on their life, beyond they screwed up their tourism season; and all these "social demands" are "urban social demands" and problems.

To be honest the Mapuche would probably do a better job of running from about Temuco South, cut anywhere North of there free. They can keep Santiago / Valpo and all their problems etc and the disaster that it is. Argentina can probably have Patagonia, at least you know where you are with them.
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Re: The Economic Impact of the Social Crisis

Post by admin » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:16 am

41southchile wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:35 pm
admin wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:05 pm


Santiago broke it, they can live with the consequences and Santiago needs to fix it.

None of it has any bearing on their life, beyond they screwed up their tourism season; and all these "social demands" are "urban social demands" and problems.

To be honest the Mapuche would probably do a better job of running from about Temuco South, cut anywhere North of there free. They can keep Santiago / Valpo and all their problems etc and the disaster that it is. Argentina can probably have Patagonia, at least you know where you are with them.
funny, I had the thought driving across the pampas, the "Patagonia" of chile and Argentina should form their own country. BA ignores large parts of their Patagonia too, unless they want to build a golf course or pump oil or gas. BA and Santiago / valpo deserve each other.

The two would have sufficient territory, people, and natural resources to be a viable country. hell, a lot of people in the Patagonia either have dual citizenship or at least family on both sides of the boarder already.
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Re: The Economic Impact of the Social Crisis

Post by admin » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:58 am

This is a mega WTF?

so, I think my Spanish has hit it's limit with this one. I think it is for for lack of logic contained in the underlying subject matter.

so, the workers, many of them volunteers, of the national human rights institute, a government entity, funded by the state, but independent, is going to go on strike.

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... rtes.shtml
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Re: The Economic Impact of the Social Crisis

Post by admin » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:10 am

FYI, to fill in the blanks here a bit, the workers are well known to be almost 100% extreme left, and were in part selected to be that way by design after the dictatorship. sort of part of the post-dictaorship piece reconciliation thingy.

the workers union is part of the "popular social movement" or whatever they call themselves now; same group that sent reps to Venezuela.
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Re: The Economic Impact of the Social Crisis

Post by tiagoabner » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:22 am

admin wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:10 am
FYI, to fill in the blanks here a bit, the workers are well known to be almost 100% extreme left, and were in part selected to be that way by design after the dictatorship. sort of part of the post-dictaorship piece reconciliation thingy.

the workers union is part of the "popular social movement" or whatever they call themselves now; same group that sent reps to Venezuela.
This doesn't surprise me at all. They're protesting and bitching because they were called out on their bullshit and on their leftist agenda. A very clear example was when some immigrants that were either illegally in the country or that were involved in criminal activity were extradited a few months back. They started to bitch about the human rights of the children being extradited, but there were only adult males being sent out.
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