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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 7:54 pm
by admin
41southchile wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:30 pm
eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:44 pm
Takes about 10 business days or more to change so do it now.
Too late, just saw cut off day is Thursday,
https://www.soychile.cl/Santiago/Socied ... yente.aspx
yea, I don't think that is an accident.

that "agreement" between the parties, had an extremely rushed date, and not because they were in a hurry to fix the constitution, etc.

They were in a hurry to disenfranchise as many people as possible.

guess who most likly missed that date?

young, first time, extreme left leaning voters. essentially.

now many people did change. think it was million and half, but...

Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:19 pm
by admin
well, I guess their other option is travel back to where they are registered to vote.

Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:23 am
by 41southchile
So the municipal Christmas tree in Puerto montt (that barely resembles a Christmas tree) had paint thrown at it and they are taking it down today, after being up for a grand total of 7 days at a cost of 40 million pesos.
Being taken down because it didnt have the right permission to be up or something.
The funniest thing still is a lot of people seriously think the government and politicians will do a better job than the private sector in Chile. When mostly they are just amateurs and sad expensive jokes , out for themselves, but guess what? people voted them in still and often more than once.
https://www.soychile.cl/Puerto-Montt/So ... Montt.aspx

Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:22 pm
by Space Cat
Daniel Matamala: De qué estamos hablando
Más del 94% de los 2 millones y medio de votantes de la consulta ciudadana está a favor de un IVA menor para productos de primera necesidad. Coinciden en ello con una de las principales críticas de la OCDE a nuestro país: que nuestro sistema tributario está patas para arriba. Se basa en impuestos al consumo, que golpean a los más pobres, y no en los tributos a la riqueza. Chile recauda el 41% de sus impuestos a través del IVA, contra apenas el 20% de promedio en la OCDE. Por eso, el organismo nos recomienda “incrementar impuestos ambientales, sobre la propiedad y a la renta para aumentar la equidad y estimular el crecimiento”.
Quien mejor resume el desafío de Chile es el físico César Hidalgo, cocreador del Índice de Complejidad Económica, un ranking en que llevamos 40 años estancados (en 1980 éramos 61º; hoy somos 60º). Los datos del índice demuestran que crecimiento e igualdad no son metas contradictorias: ambas dependen de que Chile se vuelva más complejo y deje atrás “una economía primitiva y estática”, dice Hidalgo.

Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:54 am
by 41southchile
Space Cat wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:22 pm
Daniel Matamala: De qué estamos hablando
Más del 94% de los 2 millones y medio de votantes de la consulta ciudadana está a favor de un IVA menor para productos de primera necesidad. Coinciden en ello con una de las principales críticas de la OCDE a nuestro país: que nuestro sistema tributario está patas para arriba. Se basa en impuestos al consumo, que golpean a los más pobres, y no en los tributos a la riqueza. Chile recauda el 41% de sus impuestos a través del IVA, contra apenas el 20% de promedio en la OCDE. Por eso, el organismo nos recomienda “incrementar impuestos ambientales, sobre la propiedad y a la renta para aumentar la equidad y estimular el crecimiento”.
Quien mejor resume el desafío de Chile es el físico César Hidalgo, cocreador del Índice de Complejidad Económica, un ranking en que llevamos 40 años estancados (en 1980 éramos 61º; hoy somos 60º). Los datos del índice demuestran que crecimiento e igualdad no son metas contradictorias: ambas dependen de que Chile se vuelva más complejo y deje atrás “una economía primitiva y estática”, dice Hidalgo.
Yeah something (well lots of things) in Chile need to change, a country of low wages and high prices and an uneven tax burden is not exactly a recipe for success, and that's not mentioning all the other issues. Unfortunately I cant see anything drastically changing anytime soon, all the experts in Chile have good solutions (I've heard a lot over the last two months). The question is will anyone do anything or will the country just get distracted and bogged down for the next few years .

Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:31 am
by gregf
It's similar to the USA. Everything is polarized emotion and tribalism. No one is interested in solving a problem unless the solution comes from their dogmatic understanding of the world. No one is willing to set aside that baggage and consider any other solutions, real solutions that would require part of each platform being put together imo (and in the USA removing the power of PAC/SPAC/money in general from election cycles, etc).

Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:59 am
by fraggle092
Encuesta CADEM 309:
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Results change by the week. A country can't be run based on Polls. Or by orchestrated mobs.
Ochlocracy (Greek: ὀχλοκρατία, romanized: okhlokratía; Latin: ochlocratia) or mob rule is the rule of government by mob or a mass of people, or, the intimidation of legitimate authorities. As a pejorative for majoritarianism, it is akin to the Latin phrase mobile vulgus, meaning "the fickle crowd", from which the English term "mob" originally was derived in the 1680s.

Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:36 pm
by admin
PDT_Armataz_01_40

bread and circus. bread and circus.

Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:03 pm
by fraggle092
Massive manifestation in Plaza Italia this pm...

https://alplox.github.io/tele/

Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:33 am
by BookReader
fraggle092 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:03 pm
Massive manifestation in Plaza Italia this pm...

alplo .githubio tele
FWIW that url FROZE my browser... too many embedded videos for a laptop.

Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:07 am
by fraggle092
BookReader wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:33 am

FWIW that url FROZE my browser... too many embedded videos for a laptop.
It doesn't use any bw unless you actually click on a source to play it. That Plaza Italia camera in HD mode peaks to 12 Mb/s, even playing in a window. But lower resolutions can be selected.
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p italia resized.jpg
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Was able to see the smoke in real time from the Alameda Art Centre as the manifestantes burnt it down.

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Espectacu ... endio.html

Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:00 pm
by admin
so final stats on the number of people that changed address for the election:

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... -2020.html

14,400,000 eligible to vote total

367,000 changes

115,000 have either never voted before or have not voted since voting went voluntary in 2012.

21,000 chileans outside chile have changed address. Australia, United states, and spain are the primary ones.