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Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:02 am
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:57 am
Donnybrook wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:47 am
Although the situation is disturbing I feel that has more to do with the damage being done to jobs and infrastructure. I have a close friend who is still a big fan of the military years and sees 1970 around the corner. She has been going mental on whatsapp. I imagine others are afraid of this happening. But this is not the Chile of 1970. A hugely greater number of people now have a stake in a stable country. People who are the first in the family to own a car, a house or wear a suit, whatever political party they vote for, they are not going to give up that hold on a better life.
I believe there is more than one thing going on. There are genuine grievances - made worse by an appalling absence of any knowledge about how the system they live in actually works - which need addressing. Personal debt is a huge problem and needs to be looked at. But there is also a move to grab political power outside the ballot box. People hoping to grab some power out of the chaos. Then you have the baddies, the ones who are comfortable in the world of theft and destruction. Many looted items are being distributed in areas where the drug dealers would like a passive neighbourhood in which to operate; old mafia trick. Then the teenagers, absolutely the loudest and most disruptive but is that any surprise to anyone who has ever had a teenager in the house?
All this badly reported, especially from outside Chile and on the internet. It is so much easier, and lazier, to just grab the genuine grievances and run with them. Apparently everyone likes a revolution unless it is in their own country. There is room for some really good, in depth reporting but no one is filling that space.
As for the police, can anyone name civil unrest which has happened across a country in multiple cities for over 40 days? Countries with democratically elected governments? It isn't their excesses which are surprising but their restraint.
United States of America
Although the police shot and beat them the whole time.
Interesting becasue I was looking this up last month and checking out the duration of things like Watts riots, rodney king, WTO, and I thought that all of those cases were around a week before the status quo was restored. OWS definitely went on longer but it wasnt really looting and burning for the whole duration. Maybe civil rights movement but im not sure that compares to what is going on here. Most of OWS was people with lawn chairs and signs once it lost momentum. I'd be interested to know of any multi city violent riots that went on for longer than a month in the US
I think the late 1950's to 1970's civil rights movements are totally comparable. The history books have been sanitized for the masses, showing happy woodstock hippies and the "I have a dream" speech in Washington. Remember the civil rights movement was first and foremost about "inequity" of rights, both political, social, and economic; and it was not just about black people. Women, indians, Mexicans, gays, etc; plus a lot of union strikes by very white and very poor people. The grade school history books like to skip over the national guards being deployed to the street with M-60s. The FBI chasing " communist " as code for keeping poor minorities and protest organizers in their place. They don't show the armored personnel carriers, or helicopter gunships deployed to the indian reservations, nor do they talk too much about the CIA operations on American soil against American citizens.
I have an old friend that worked for 40 years for the telecoms companies in the united states through the 60's to 80s. He was telling me how in the 1970's he was installing high tech, classified, digital switches, on an otherwise mostly analog phone network junctions, across the United states, that went one place: Washington D.C.
so, yea the end of the new deal and WWII sort of hit the pause button, until the American economy took off through the early 50's, until a lot of Americans left behind sort of looked around and said, "where the hell is my slice of the pie"?
women wanted out of the kitchen, after having worked through WWII. blacks said, "we fought and died too in the war", etc, etc.
and the u.s. is making that mistake all over again.