Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by Zenth » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:23 pm

No one can provide a definition of rich anyplace so let's not even think about taxing the rich. Income is not wealth. Who is richer anyway, the person who owns his shack or the person with a mortgage on his yacht and a balance due at the fuel dock?

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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:32 pm

Zenth wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:23 pm
No one can provide a definition of rich anyplace so let's not even think about taxing the rich. Income is not wealth. Who is richer anyway, the person who owns his shack or the person with a mortgage on his yacht and a balance due at the fuel dock?
This would be insightful to the average Chilean but how to make them understand that after decades of consumerist (yes, "neoliberal" to make the lefties happy) brainwashing.
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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:47 pm

TINFOIL POST WARNING : those prone to triggering please move on.

OK, we already saw how the media was clamped around the time after the 1 million march and then cabinet firing, but I find it really strange the decrease in looting and violence after the mediocre Piraña speech last night.

Granted, things may pick up again tomorrow with the public workers and other sindicatos so the rest of this post may be prove to be irrelevant in 24 hours.

BUT, it seems like the probable commie financed, directed and coordinated violence and looting has suddenly been muted. Has there been an invisible widescale crackdown we don't know about or perhaps their top echelons were threatened by the authorities to cool it or be publicly revealed? :alien:
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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:03 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:47 pm
TINFOIL POST WARNING : those prone to triggering please move on.

OK, we already saw how the media was clamped around the time after the 1 million march and then cabinet firing, but I find it really strange the decrease in looting and violence after the mediocre Piraña speech last night.

Granted, things may pick up again tomorrow with the public workers and other sindicatos so the rest of this post may be prove to be irrelevant in 24 hours.

BUT, it seems like the probable commie financed, directed and coordinated violence and looting has suddenly been muted. Has there been an invisible widescale crackdown we don't know about or perhaps their top echelons were threatened by the authorities to cool it or be publicly revealed? :alien:
I wrote that in hope but have instantly lost it as a local COPEC is on fire this minute...
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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by admin » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:42 am

It seems the FA is continuing to blow apart with internal b.s.

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... ucion.html
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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by 41southchile » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:36 am

Anyone with legal knowledge able explain exactly what a querella does ? It's just a complaint about criminal activity isn't it ? To who ? The judiciary? The previous administration was very fond of them when they would burn trucks and machinery in the Araucanía, the govt would always do a querella, never did much else.
Is just a legal protocol that has to take place to bring charges? Can anyone lay one ? What actual point does it serve practically?
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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by admin » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:00 am

little thin on evidence, but interesting article from the telegraph on the connection between bolivia and Chile:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/1 ... think/amp/

they claim 40% of tweets calling for pinera's resignation originated out of Venezuela.
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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by tiagoabner » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:36 am

I went to Vitacura today for dentist visit, and it looks pretty much untouched by the protests. I guess the limit is about at Escuela Militar, and the cops aren't letting the protestors go any further than that.
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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by hlf2888 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:21 pm

admin wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:00 am
little thin on evidence, but interesting article from the telegraph on the connection between bolivia and Chile:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/1 ... think/amp/

they claim 40% of tweets calling for pinera's resignation originated out of Venezuela.
Good article. Never heard of the OAS. After reading, I think the OAS are the orchestrators here, in Bolivia and in Ecuador. Possibly Venezuela also. They probably cut the power during the vote counting to cast suspicion on Evo, and then fanned the flames with a tsunami of anti-Evo tweets. And they are implicated here also, saying a majority fo tweets came from Venezuela, putting a target there. It is so easy to change the origin of tweets and to send thousands at a time with different names. I am wondering who is this OAS (org of American states) and who is behind them??

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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:30 pm

OAS has been around for a while with most alternative news saying it is another tool of the US Deep State to influence events throughout the Americas.
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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by Dosedmonkey » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:12 pm

tiagoabner wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:36 am
I went to Vitacura today for dentist visit, and it looks pretty much untouched by the protests. I guess the limit is about at Escuela Militar, and the cops aren't letting the protestors go any further than that.
The first week when military intervened, it was exactly for this reason, protestors were trying to make their way from the centre to vitacura direction, and that is a big no no as far as security forces are concerned. Providencia is undesirable, but las condes is the line set in stone it seems. Centro is fair game.

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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by Jamers41 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:33 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:30 pm
OAS has been around for a while with most alternative news saying it is another tool of the US Deep State to influence events throughout the Americas.
"For a while" is an understatement, it was founded in the late 1940's and was an important actor in Cold Ward conflicts.

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