Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by admin » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:05 am

so, here is the profiles of the "peaceful" protesters:

https://www.latercera.com/nacional/noti ... or/921215/
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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by mem » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:24 am

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:52 pm
Amazing how many of us have dug their heels in instead of cut and running like expats in most places.

I would understand those with a family connection hanging in there but those who don't have that Chilean connection, what is it that keeps you here for the medium term and perhaps long term?

And a fight it will come to whether by reason or by by force...
We've been here almost 5 years and I know that is generally the do or die timeframe that people either commit long term or they bail. We dont have any Chilean family connections.
We are in the south of region 9 and far inland so we havent had to contend with what the cities have had. We have never felt our safety at risk. If there were marauders coming in and attacking our house we would probably go to argentina... it's the only place we could drive too. Even then it wouldn't be permanent, we would be trying to return as soon as it was safe again. I dont see that happening in the country side. But the cities are a different story.
We've lived through stuff like OWS and WTO protests and while this is way bigger than those I dont wax apocalyptic about all this. I dont see chilezuela. It's a rough patch and once the economic impact hits the people I think it will be a turning point as they survey the devastation and consider how fruitless all the angst has been.
The reasons we were here versus the US are still valid. A better place to raise small children away from the negative effects of typical US culture. Country side living that is more affordable than there. A more varied and clean enviornment/landscapes (in the south country) We used to dream in west coast suburbia while on 0.18 of an acre plot of having a farmstead on a river out in the country with acreage for animals that our kids could grow up with and understand farming and while we didnt try for that we ended up in that exact place in chile and only in retrospect did we realise that our dreams of such a life have been fulfilled and we are thankful. We aren't going to piss that away for a people that dont know how good they have had it compared to EVERY other country in central and south America. They would rather toss the baby with the bathwater while other central/south american countries would be so happy to have Chiles bath water, let alone the baby

Unfortunately we know of expats that have been here for longer 10+ years that are planning to leave. One couple that lives in providencia and are advanced in years said that they have seen how thin is the veneer of civilization and if they are going to face a breakdown in civilization they would prefer to face it in English even though they have become citizens in chile and can speak spanish

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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by Dosedmonkey » Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:59 pm

Another day another step closer to civil war.

https://twitter.com/R1card0Est3ban_/sta ... 03968?s=20

https://twitter.com/R1card0Est3ban_/sta ... 80224?s=20

https://twitter.com/RadioTVLiberaci/sta ... 39616?s=20

People almost killed, including the Carabineros with shields by an armoured car ramming at a peaceful protest by concerned ladies.
https://twitter.com/prensaopal/status/1 ... 46720?s=20

Evidence of Carabineros ignoring looting and targeting protests.
https://twitter.com/Alma_Negra_30/statu ... 14689?s=20

And another looting allowed...
https://twitter.com/anomico_2/status/12 ... 84832?s=20

Hit the link limit there. But you get the general picture...

Notice a lot of Carabineros have removed their identities off their uniform over the last week, so between that and balaclavas, even if the government wanted to prosecute them, you couldn't.

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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by fraggle092 » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:25 pm

Dosedmonkey wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:59 pm

Notice a lot of Carabineros have removed their identities off their uniform over the last week, so between that and balaclavas, even if the government wanted to prosecute them, you couldn't.
That's because a hack into Carabineros data systems gleaned a lot of personal information, including names and addresses. They and their families are getting threats.
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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by admin » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:55 pm

I still got nothing to report down here.

It is not exactly like i am staying home either. I drove over 1200 km this week around los Lagos region. I was in puerto montt yesterday afternoon and puerto varas at midnight last night, a pile of little one horse towns all over the place. signs that protests happened; but so far have completely manged to avoid any active unrest of any sort. PV is boarded up in the downtown, but even then it looks like mostly national chains being overly broad in their mandates from Santiago, but yea there are the signs of trouble before. I was there everyday last week. nothing.

strangely I was in puelo yesterday for a few mins. there was hardly a street dog on the street; but a carbinareios was like frantically patrolling the town, when there is really not much of a town to patrol. he could have parked at the town square, and seen the whole town. he drove up and down every single street, all 8 of them. most are less than 50 meters long.

yea, I gave a little more thought to where and when I went places, and how i got there. I stick to back roads when possible, but even ruta 5 has not had much of anything going on that i encountered. I normally take back roads anyway. I also make a point of not going near the hot spots; and if i must, i do it as early as possible in the day. come on? none of these guys get up early, or at least not in sufficient numbers to be much of a threat.
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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by admin » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:12 pm

the least concerned person I have talked to since this all started, a good friend that lives in frutillar is a 79 year old lady that lived for 30 years in Colombia, and was a diplomatic brat her hole life. she was married to a guy in the precious stones export industry. she knows a little about insecurity and what to do. not the least concerned by any of it. her daughter also lives here. she is in osorno at a rock concert her gringo nephew is playing ar. perhaps they will have some war stories. she grew up in pablo Escobar's colombia. I don't think she is. too concerned either.

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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by scandinavian » Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:14 pm

Dosedmonkey wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:59 pm
Another day another step closer to civil war.

https://twitter.com/R1card0Est3ban_/sta ... 03968?s=20

https://twitter.com/R1card0Est3ban_/sta ... 80224?s=20

https://twitter.com/RadioTVLiberaci/sta ... 39616?s=20

People almost killed, including the Carabineros with shields by an armoured car ramming at a peaceful protest by concerned ladies.
https://twitter.com/prensaopal/status/1 ... 46720?s=20

Evidence of Carabineros ignoring looting and targeting protests.
https://twitter.com/Alma_Negra_30/statu ... 14689?s=20

And another looting allowed...
https://twitter.com/anomico_2/status/12 ... 84832?s=20

Hit the link limit there. But you get the general picture...

Notice a lot of Carabineros have removed their identities off their uniform over the last week, so between that and balaclavas, even if the government wanted to prosecute them, you couldn't.
Please don't share old tweets and fake news. Are you even in Chile?

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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by passport » Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:46 pm

I read MAD

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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by Britkid » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:32 pm

In the last link it was said in some of the comments that it was just an old video from October.

So yeah this social media stuff isn't particularly reliable, you don't see context etc. But keep sharing it. You build up an overall picture from seeing 100 of these videos, even if you can't draw too much conclusion from one of them.

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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by gregf » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:34 pm

This take is a bit more positive: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/ ... 75534.html

Trying to catch up on details and history. Seems like the AFP is no good and people are rightfully raging about it. Also inaccessible and expensive healthcare. Sounds familiar. The rest of the complaints are more vague and its not as obvious how to fix or address like higher wages etc. Im not sure how competitive markets are in chile compared to elsewhere. Listening to a book called the great reversal that suggests part of the cause of stagnant wages in usa is the concentration of market power as lots of mergers allowed, bad regulation stifling entrance to mRket etc, which has knock on effect of companies doing things like buying back stock and enriching shareholders while wages can stagnate and so the gap grows etc.

I hope Chile comes out of it all for the better but its easy to fee overwhelmed and like this will lead to a slow death spiral as chile becomes another latam country with the all the problems familiar to those countries.

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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by fraggle092 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:04 am

gregf wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:34 pm

Trying to catch up on details and history. Seems like the AFP is no good and people are rightfully raging about it. Also inaccessible and expensive healthcare.
If they are protesting about Healthcare, why do they attack and burn public hospitals?
As for Pensions, many of these rioters are schoolkids that haven't worked a day in their lives.

The foreign media all echo variants of the distorted story that they have been fed.
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Note the use of the protective glove by Molotov man.

And this, just a 10 minute walk from my place.
Who really thinks that they are going to stop when the "Social Demands" are met? They are having too much fun!
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Re: Chile Political and Social Crisis 2019

Post by 41southchile » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:42 am

fraggle092 wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:04 am
gregf wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:34 pm

Trying to catch up on details and history. Seems like the AFP is no good and people are rightfully raging about it. Also inaccessible and expensive healthcare.
If they are protesting about Healthcare, why do they attack and burn public hospitals?
As for Pensions, many of these rioters are schoolkids that haven't worked a day in their lives.

The foreign media all echo variants of the distorted story that they have been fed.
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ENCAPUCHADOS-ATAQUE-A-BUS-MEJILLONES.jpg

Note the use of the protective glove by Molotov man.

And this, just a 10 minute walk from my place.
Who really thinks that they are going to stop when the "Social Demands" are met? They are having too much fun!
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costa-real-la-serena-768x817.jpg
No everyday working citizen is "raging" (if by raging you mean rioting) against AFP or healthcare, nearly everyone is pissed off and angry about it , yeah they want it to be better, but they mostly still get up and go to work and carry on best they can.
The ones doing the raging and the destruction are just organized criminals, opportunistic criminals , anarchists and whoever the fuck else likes to see chaos. They are certainly not there to torch buildings like hospitals and schools because they are raging against AFP.
Fuck the foreign media when are they going to call it for what it is ?
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