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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:15 pm
by fraggle092
Zenth wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:38 pm
One person, one vote as long as you’re a Citizen. Citizens living overseas included.
Keep it simple.
You are of course aware that PRs can vote. I voted the last two presidential elections.

Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:19 pm
by eeuunikkeiexpat
I'd give up my PR vote if Chilean expats were excluded as was before the last Batchoshit administration.

Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:06 pm
by fraggle092
Getting back to the subject, does this help?
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Not that it matters, the current "unrest" is a manufactured crock of shit.

Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:13 pm
by Zenth
I didn't know Permanent Residents could vote in Chile. Thank you for educating me.

Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:11 am
by admin
eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:19 pm
I'd give up my PR vote if Chilean expats were excluded as was before the last Batchoshit administration.
I would not worry too much about that crowd by themselves.

They are a fairly small group in the big picture. They can not enforce mandatory voting for them, and they are not all lefty.

I just had dinner with some chileans that left as allende was in charge, and one just went off with, 'call out the military, and kill all the commies' rant.

we often forget their are two types of "exhiles" out there, just the first group never was really treated as "political exhiles".

Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:43 am
by admin
so, this survey that is out, demonstrates exactly why I think screwing around with the constitution right now is a bad idea. yes, chile could use a new constitution, but is extraordinarily dangerous with this level of ignorance and education about it.

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... adano.html

The majority of chileans surveyed don't even know who or how this agreement to write a new constitution came about.

somehow 10% did not even hear anything about it.

Think this deserves a, where the fuck have all these chileans been living for the last month?

Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:51 am
by eeuunikkeiexpat
The narcos, barras bravas, delinquentes, lumpen = 10%

Never been so busy working in their entire lives (looting, destroying, etc.).

Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:55 am
by admin
My only explanation for this is that Chileans, as a culture, can be shockingly intellectually lazy.

I don't expect everyone in a population to be super well informed, or be able to do advanced math or physics; but, a little bit of 'think this one through a little more' would probably be in order, for your own good.

Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:59 am
by admin
eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:51 am
The narcos, barras bravas, delinquentes, lumpen = 10%

Never been so busy working in their entire lives (looting, destroying, etc.).
I'm talking about the over 50% that do not even know how we got here, or why, or ....

Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:42 pm
by Fishboy
admin wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:30 am
I am totally willing to vote for a communist, gay transgender mapuche "women", if she / he is qualified and can sell me on having good ideas for a constitution and the country; but, don't dilute my right to vote for them, or not, with pre-rigged quota bullshit.
Alternately, if there arn't quotas, the same people from the same handful of schools/families who got us in the shit, will get us back in it.

Personally, I'm happy for quotas to allow the regions, women, different age classes to be well represented. Otherwise the resistance in the system will stop things changing (and most of us agree they have to).

Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:52 pm
by mem
To which of these "same people" do you refer to?

The ones that made Chile the most stable and richest country per capita in all of central and south america over the last 25 years by embracing a free market system?

Or the people that almost 6 weeks ago decided to just piss it all away and pull down their pants and crap all over the country while spitting on the rule of law yet fancying themselves heroes?

Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:32 pm
by admin
so, the left is making their "demands" to chile vamos for quotas in this law.

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... icion.html

hard to tell, but from the growing trend of reactions in the comments seems voting "no" to a new constitution is getting some traction, and it does not just seem to be right extremists. The left seems to be sinking it just fine all on their own.

I even have my doubts about the legality and constitutionality of quotas passing the smell test at the supreme court. remember, a new constitution depends on the current constitution, for the authority to even under take the writing of a new one.