Let us write a constitution for Chile.

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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by admin » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:27 am

yea, there are some big ass holes in that agreement. i want to see the fine print, as it is going through congress.

but, assuming this get's through Congress, it still needs an amendment to the current constitution to work.

I am also not clear on what happens if the "constitutional convention" fails to come up with one at all. how many members, etc. what happens if the constitution they put to a vote is rejected by the people?
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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by admin » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:30 am

one thing i am certain of, I don't want to see these political parties anywhere near a constitutional convention.
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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by Britkid » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:58 am

Some politicians and some TV presenters I saw this morning seemed to think was a major step forward. I think it would have made more sense to start with a big increase to the minimum wage and pensions if they really want to try and calm things down.

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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by Zenth » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:02 am

There will always be special interests represented. Call them what you like; agricultural versus industrial, rural vs. metropolitan, liberal vs. conservative, and capitalists vs. socialists.
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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by Zenth » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:03 am

A tax holiday would be helpful.

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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by admin » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:57 am

It addresses not one single problem or social demand.

It is a super stinky political red herring, so none of the politicians or political parties have to actually stick their neck out and own the problems.
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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by 41southchile » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:12 am

Britkid wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:58 am
Some politicians and some TV presenters I saw this morning seemed to think was a major step forward. I think it would have made more sense to start with a big increase to the minimum wage and pensions if they really want to try and calm things down.
Yeah I have my doubts too about this strategy, I think lots are just seeing it as "any thing " will do at this stage to stop the violence.
Hope I'm wrong, it happens, but gut feeling is not feeling the optimism some are feeling, Admin summed it up well.
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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by admin » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:40 am

well, on a bright note. this is my big chance to finally read the federalist papers been meaning to read them completely for years.
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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by admin » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:34 pm

here is the thing, in theory, this seems to be the best of the worse options on the table.

again, I am however very pessimistic about how thing will function in practice.
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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by Space Cat » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:19 pm

An analysis that explains the problematic articles of the current constitution:
https://www.dw.com/es/constitución-chil ... a-51233042

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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by admin » Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:26 am

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... ucion.html

so here is the other shoe to drop.

the far left is trying to hijack the whole process by setting quotas for groups that all vote heavily far left.

among others:
mapuche
women / men 50 / 50
chilean expats (large communities of exhiles that were pro-allende, communist, socialist, etc)
and kids as young as 14 (are you fucking kidding me)

I am for all these groups, except the kids, participating, but one citizen, one vote.

If they set predetermined quotas, they are deligitimizing the entire process, exactly the way they claim the 1980's constitution is not legitimate.

the far left knows they are such a minority, that without stacking the electoral deck, they can not control the process.
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Re: Let us write a constitution for Chile.

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sat Nov 23, 2019 10:12 am

Since Chile taxation is residency based, Chilean expats should not be able to vote. Only those with skin in the game (resident) should vote.
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