State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by admin » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:34 am

so seems the communist party reject the accord outright.

they are basically claiming it is not "democratic"; or, in other words they don't get to write and approve the constitution, so it is not legitimate.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by admin » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:36 am

so i am in puerto montt right now, parked on the square. few broken windows, but most everything is normal.

granted it rained and it is early in the day.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by fraggle092 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:26 pm

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by hlf2888 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:31 pm

For a start, no IVA on food and free medications for those getting a sueldo less than 500,000 por mes, free higher education for all who qualify academically, minimum pension 300,000 por mes, free subway and bus for all students and seniors, free water for all Chile...no selling water to multinationals, rent control, decent low income housing and senior's homes, rehaul the whole judicial system, tax the rich and the corporations at higher rates, drastically cut the salaries and pensions of all politicians to pay for some of these changes, sue and or jail the polluters. It's a sincere beginning and would stop the crisis.

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by Space Cat » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:53 pm

admin wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:43 am
78% of the people arrested had at least one previous arrest.

51% had over 5 previous arrests

https://www.latercera.com/nacional/noti ... as/901881/
And a half of young folks creating trouble come from SENAME (the place where kids get abused and die on a regular basis).

All these stats make the aggression in the streets sound like "hey society, remember you left us rotting in a ditch?"

People who think that more oppression will help clearly lack the understanding how a prosperous society function (see Switzerland or the Nordics). The violence during this crisis is heavily influenced by the lack of rehabilitative justice and the social programs that prevent people from becoming criminals in the first place.

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by Britkid » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:02 pm

hlf2888 wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:31 pm
For a start, no IVA on food and free medications for those getting a sueldo less than 500,000 por mes, free higher education for all who qualify academically, minimum pension 300,000 por mes, free subway and bus for all seniors, free water for all Chile...no selling water to multinationals, rent control, decent low income housing and senior's homes, rehaul the whole judicial system, tax the rich and the corporations at higher rates, drastically cut the salaries and pensions of all politicians to pay for some of these changes, sue and or jail the polluters. It's a sincere beginning and would stop the crisis.
Seems reasonable.

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by vamoschile » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:08 pm

Just got back from Santiago and everything seemed pretty calm. The plaza italia had like 8 people making a video and there wasn't even any police there. Las Condes had nothing wrong and everything seemed normal.

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by 41southchile » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:15 pm

fraggle092 wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:26 pm

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Anyone think the troubles are over?
No one I have talked to today
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by Dosedmonkey » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:41 pm

El Ping wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:41 am
Dosedmonkey wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:48 pm
The Carabineros are on the edge. Some fantastic leadership in this video.

https://twitter.com/LordHeller2022/stat ... 76160?s=20
Really?
Small crowd milling around outside Carabineros offices.... some dick throws a rock.... carabineros wander outside.... small crowd runs away.... helado vendor peddles past on his tricycle.......

I must say they can run fast.....
Really which part. The leadership. Clearly the guy with the helmet camera was in charge, he told the Carabineros to hold back inside, in the shadows, not to provoke the youth. Then only rushed them when starting to throw rocks through the windows. The he called back a Carabinero chasing them down street and told them all to the calm down. The crowd was small, but so was the station, it had about 7 Carabineros against 200 youths.

Sadly a lot of the rank and file Carabineros seem to not realise this as fatigue is setting in. They think a little violence will help, but it isn't. Yesterday alone three Carabineros on motorbikes ran over a kid on front of lots of bystanders in Vina, on purpose, could of caused internal bleeding and death easily. And then also I think filmed in Santiago, after arresting an individual, whilst walking him back to the van, one of two Carabineros escorting the guy was just repeatedly hitting the guy in the chest and head with a baton for no reason. He was not resisting.

I also see a wealthy Chilean had a pistol on him in Santiago, the Carabineros confiscated it off of him, but then let him go instead of arresting him. Which in Chile is a big deal, this isn't USA before any one says there is nothing wrong with carrying a gun again...

These three videos alone will cause tens of thousands of more people to hate the Carabineros, no constitution will fix this, it has gone past that now. The administration need to start arresting Carabineros, and criminals equally and prosecuting them to defuse the situation, and crack down on the rogue rank and file.



As for constitution, how will a new one help. Everyone already has access to education, pension and hospitals, so they can't add that... It's more the funding and running of these institutions that is the problem. The only thing that needs improving on paper is the judicial system, so people actually take responsibility for their actions.

I was thinking about the cancer thing, having been through that hopeless situation (or so it felt), sure a few will be like that, but I came to the conclusion actually majority of these youngsters are actually over optimistic, and feel they can achieve anything through protest, looking at Ukraine, Arab Spring, Hong Kong. But they don't realise the reality of it, so just typical teenagers, on a grander scale. They also believe in ideals, and don't realise ideals don't give you a good living standards by themselves.

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by 41southchile » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:50 pm

hlf2888 wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:31 pm
For a start, no IVA on food and free medications for those getting a sueldo less than 500,000 por mes, free higher education for all who qualify academically, minimum pension 300,000 por mes, free subway and bus for all students and seniors, free water for all Chile...no selling water to multinationals, rent control, decent low income housing and senior's homes, rehaul the whole judicial system, tax the rich and the corporations at higher rates, drastically cut the salaries and pensions of all politicians to pay for some of these changes, sue and or jail the polluters. It's a sincere beginning and would stop the crisis.
How about a flying car for everyone too? Does rent control work?, I've heard mixed results , and has a lot of other unintended consequences, like most things, good in theory but sometimes it's just creating other problems. Some of those ideas are good, others not too sure of. ALWAYS rushed laws are bad laws, the list above is diverse and covers a lot, it would take years/decades to work through, so as not to do a half ass job.
The protestors slogan it's not 30 pesos its 30 years is in the mark, but they are delusional if they think its going to be solved in 30 days, 30 weeks or 30 months, maybe safe with saying 30 years .
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by 41southchile » Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:04 pm

Dosedmonkey wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:41 pm
El Ping wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:41 am
Dosedmonkey wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:48 pm
The Carabineros are on the edge. Some fantastic leadership in this video.

https://twitter.com/LordHeller2022/stat ... 76160?s=20
Really?
Small crowd milling around outside Carabineros offices.... some dick throws a rock.... carabineros wander outside.... small crowd runs away.... helado vendor peddles past on his tricycle.......

I must say they can run fast.....
Really which part. The leadership. Clearly the guy with the helmet camera was in charge, he told the Carabineros to hold back inside, in the shadows, not to provoke the youth. Then only rushed them when starting to throw rocks through the windows. The he called back a Carabinero chasing them down street and told them all to the calm down. The crowd was small, but so was the station, it had about 7 Carabineros against 200 youths.

Sadly a lot of the rank and file Carabineros seem to not realise this as fatigue is setting in. They think a little violence will help, but it isn't. Yesterday alone three Carabineros on motorbikes ran over a kid on front of lots of bystanders in Vina, on purpose, could of caused internal bleeding and death easily. And then also I think filmed in Santiago, after arresting an individual, whilst walking him back to the van, one of two Carabineros escorting the guy was just repeatedly hitting the guy in the chest and head with a baton for no reason. He was not resisting.

I also see a wealthy Chilean had a pistol on him in Santiago, the Carabineros confiscated it off of him, but then let him go instead of arresting him. Which in Chile is a big deal, this isn't USA before any one says there is nothing wrong with carrying a gun again...

These three videos alone will cause tens of thousands of more people to hate the Carabineros, no constitution will fix this, it has gone past that now. The administration need to start arresting Carabineros, and criminals equally and prosecuting them to defuse the situation, and crack down on the rogue rank and file.



As for constitution, how will a new one help. Everyone already has access to education, pension and hospitals, so they can't add that... It's more the funding and running of these institutions that is the problem. The only thing that needs improving on paper is the judicial system, so people actually take responsibility for their actions.

I was thinking about the cancer thing, having been through that hopeless situation (or so it felt), sure a few will be like that, but I came to the conclusion actually majority of these youngsters are actually over optimistic, and feel they can achieve anything through protest, looking at Ukraine, Arab Spring, Hong Kong. But they don't realise the reality of it, so just typical teenagers, on a grander scale. They also believe in ideals, and don't realise ideals don't give you a good living standards by themselves.
Good post, good points, I've shown that video to a few people it was very good leadership, that cop on the street was ready to kick the shit out of someone before he was called back. The Carabineros are doing well, considering what they are up against, this shit doesn't need to happen, it's not normal, cops yeah on some level, I guess that's part of the battle, but churches ? In Puerto Montt last night, the good thing to see there was all the people coming to defend it and help out after it was getting ransacked .
Definitely legalise weed, and stop the all day drinking going on in plazas by youth and might see a calming down.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by vamoschile » Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:05 pm

Anyone know what we can expect in forms of protests this weekend?

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