State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by admin » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:34 pm

ohhhhh, this is the ultimate "you break it, you buy it".

so group of Congress UDI (far right), have filed a claim with the constitional court to have 12 members of the FA and PC parties removed from congress for violating the law against Congress members from insighting the riots and looting:

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... y-fa.shtml

now will it work?

probably not, but all they really need to do is make the label and association of the riots with those far left congress members stick in the minds of chileans.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by admin » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:39 pm

Space Cat wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:05 pm
New poll results are out, they answer most questions about the public perception of the protests and the government between different age and income groups.


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the really fascinating one there, and gives me great hope, is the across the board support for the fundemental social demands.

the first step, is to admit you have a problem.

now, I am sure the solution will be a very divided; but, that is a good start.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by Britkid » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:55 pm

Disturbances in Talagante today involving teenagers. Haven't been myself in person but by the look of the talk and shared videos and photos there are children not in school going to other schools to get other children to abandon their school and join the protest and if they won't they throw things or try to get into that school maybe - or shout or cause some disturbance? The children also blocked at least one of the entrances to the motorway (the one leading from Talagante to San Antonio) but possibly all of them and maybe the whole motorway (I am not sure).

Once the children finish school for the year (mid December) that could be a factor in making things change, probably for the worse. Is there an option to bring back the curfew, but make it 24 hours, but only for people aged 12-25? :)

The Ruta 78 just isn't reliable at the moment, as eeuunikkeiexpat found out on a recent trip to Santiago. The Malloco protests and blockages are common, it wasn't just the one day you were there.

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by admin » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:59 pm

oohh, I mentioned some pages ago the socialist party would be the first to break towards the center, from the far left, well, because they are flaky. they will go with the political winds.

well, here they are breaking with the left, warning them against going after pinera.

https://www.latercera.com/politica/noti ... ra/890210/

wait for it. if it fits their political needs, the PS will break so hard right that they will make the UDI blush.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by Space Cat » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:15 pm

admin wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:34 pm
but all they really need to do is make the label and association of the riots with those far left congress members stick in the minds of chileans.
They have been forcing "FA & PC did it!" meme for weeks already but nobody believes them aside from a hard-right minority who can't stop spamming under FA members' tweets.

Meanwhile, Sánchez is leading the presidential polls with 12,4% while Lavín and JAK got 10% and 5.8% respectively.

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by Space Cat » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:20 pm

admin wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:59 pm
oohh, I mentioned some pages ago the socialist party would be the first to break towards the center, from the far left, well, because they are flaky. they will go with the political winds.

well, here they are breaking with the left, warning them against going after pinera.

https://www.latercera.com/politica/noti ... ra/890210/

wait for it. if it fits their political needs, the PS will break so hard right that they will make the UDI blush.
😀

PS is a joke, they are done because soon Millennials+Zoomers will become the voting majority for left-wing candidates. The whole ex-NM coalition has less support than Acción Republicana:

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by admin » Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:24 pm

Space Cat wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:15 pm
admin wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:34 pm
but all they really need to do is make the label and association of the riots with those far left congress members stick in the minds of chileans.
They have been forcing "FA & PC did it!" meme for weeks already but nobody believes them aside from a hard-right minority who can't stop spamming under FA members' tweets.

Meanwhile, Sánchez is leading the presidential polls with 12,4% while Lavín and JAK got 10% and 5.8% respectively.
yea, but the "none" and "don't know" votes each still got more votes than any of the proposed presidents.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by cali_chile48 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:50 pm

I was able to get to Conce today, stop by Sodimac, get to work, teach my two classes and get back home without too much trouble, but it's clear that things are not normal.

Sodimac was open, but the Lider next door was closed, and access to that complex was restricted, only one of three gates was open.

One of the major thoroughfares was quite congested, so I took the side streets and made it to campus OK. Less than half of the students attended class, and there were posters all over campus with messages like "How can you study while the police are killing us?" and "Don't be indifferent toward the injustice". Some of the students that attended class said that they felt conflicted about it and had been pressured not to go.

Were are trying to get back to a normal routine....that helps a lot of people, myself included, cope with all of this chaos....but it's also clear that nobody knows what might happen next.

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Secondary question about social media: The police need a warrant to get access to text messages and wassup and FB....so that implies that thy can't broadly gather data on the contents of these types of communication, right? First they need to identify a suspect, then get permission to read his/her communications.

I am curious about all of this because it does seem that the attacks on the Metro were coordinated, presumably via wassup or something like it....and they have arrested lots of people.....so they might be able to figure out who did it, right? Maybe they already know?

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by Jamers41 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:07 pm

cali_chile48 wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:50 pm
I was able to get to Conce today, stop by Sodimac, get to work, teach my two classes and get back home without too much trouble, but it's clear that things are not normal.

Sodimac was open, but the Lider next door was closed, and access to that complex was restricted, only one of three gates was open.

One of the major thoroughfares was quite congested, so I took the side streets and made it to campus OK. Less than half of the students attended class, and there were posters all over campus with messages like "How can you study while the police are killing us?" and "Don't be indifferent toward the injustice". Some of the students that attended class said that they felt conflicted about it and had been pressured not to go.

Were are trying to get back to a normal routine....that helps a lot of people, myself included, cope with all of this chaos....but it's also clear that nobody knows what might happen next.

<<<<<>>>>>

Secondary question about social media: The police need a warrant to get access to text messages and wassup and FB....so that implies that thy can't broadly gather data on the contents of these types of communication, right? First they need to identify a suspect, then get permission to read his/her communications.

I am curious about all of this because it does seem that the attacks on the Metro were coordinated, presumably via wassup or something like it....and they have arrested lots of people.....so they might be able to figure out who did it, right? Maybe they already know?
According to the front page of La Cuarta today, I believe it says that the Director of PDI talked about that and claims that they are close to catching "them", whoever they are.

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by admin » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:36 pm

cali_chile48 wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:50 pm
I was able to get to Conce today, stop by Sodimac, get to work, teach my two classes and get back home without too much trouble, but it's clear that things are not normal.

Sodimac was open, but the Lider next door was closed, and access to that complex was restricted, only one of three gates was open.

One of the major thoroughfares was quite congested, so I took the side streets and made it to campus OK. Less than half of the students attended class, and there were posters all over campus with messages like "How can you study while the police are killing us?" and "Don't be indifferent toward the injustice". Some of the students that attended class said that they felt conflicted about it and had been pressured not to go.

Were are trying to get back to a normal routine....that helps a lot of people, myself included, cope with all of this chaos....but it's also clear that nobody knows what might happen next.

<<<<<>>>>>

Secondary question about social media: The police need a warrant to get access to text messages and wassup and FB....so that implies that thy can't broadly gather data on the contents of these types of communication, right? First they need to identify a suspect, then get permission to read his/her communications.

I am curious about all of this because it does seem that the attacks on the Metro were coordinated, presumably via wassup or something like it....and they have arrested lots of people.....so they might be able to figure out who did it, right? Maybe they already know?
I am more concerned with the technical capabilities of the chilean police to do any surveillance; let alone broad sweeping illegal eavesdropping. The NSA they are not.

remember the whole scandal from a few years ago with the "IT consultant" they hired in Temuco, that it became pretty obvious the guy was just a con-artist that was ripping off the police because the police had no idea what he was talking about. He claimed to have written some super programer that hacked the WhatsApp encryption, but he was just a script kiddy that had downloaded a trojan or something online to infect the phone. pure monkey see monkey do hacking; but, it waa sufficiently impressive to pull one over on the police.

unfortunate for him, he did not understand the concepts involved sufficiently to know what he was saying in his testimony in court was pure b.s. and he was immediately called out by a bunch of people that did understand it as soon his testimony went public.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by admin » Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:05 pm

well as much as I like picking on the far left in chile, guess I should dedicate some time to the other wankers on the far right.

here are the proposals to solve the social problems of the UDI.

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... cial.shtml

It just demonstrates they are not hearing anything that people are demanding. I don't think it is even a not carrying, as much as simply not capable of understanding the problem.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by admin » Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:51 pm

right now they are attacking a police station. several carbinareios injured.

my fear with what is going on right now, between the ever more brazen attacks directly on the carbinareios on the one hand, and the politicians going to ground in the other hand to wash their hands of whatever the carbinareios are being accused of (fair or not), is that the carbinareios collectively wake-up one day and go 'screw you all, figure it out yourself'.

I doubt they would join the protest, but they might say "we are not risking our lives for this crap, just to be prosecuted or treated like criminals".
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