coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by tiagoabner » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:44 am

admin wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:18 am
Here is an explanation of why my back of the napkin number above, may be many magnitudes under count:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/06/30/in ... rdhan-bjp/

case fatality rates, in the united states and the U.K., are way more than 1%. even the official indian number is more than 1%.
No matter how much fun it is to bash the Chilean government's management of the pandemic, I think we can agree that Chilean data is fairly reliable due to testing. So the 2% mortality rate we're seeing here should be fairly consistent for other countries that didn't have a collapse in their healthcare system.

I would be willing to bet money on the mortality in India is higher than in Chile due to the worse healthcare system. Their child mortality rate, which is a good indicator for the average availability of healthcare in normal times, is 3.4%. Chile's is 0.6%. Rural India is a whole other world in terms of lack of healthcare, and hospitals collapsed there.

If estimates put about 900 million Indians having antibodies, I would guesstimate anywhere between 9 and 30 million deaths. It will take decades for us to know the true size of this catastrophe.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:43 pm

tiagoabner wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:44 am
admin wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:18 am
Here is an explanation of why my back of the napkin number above, may be many magnitudes under count:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/06/30/in ... rdhan-bjp/

case fatality rates, in the united states and the U.K., are way more than 1%. even the official indian number is more than 1%.
No matter how much fun it is to bash the Chilean government's management of the pandemic, I think we can agree that Chilean data is fairly reliable due to testing. So the 2% mortality rate we're seeing here should be fairly consistent for other countries that didn't have a collapse in their healthcare system.

I would be willing to bet money on the mortality in India is higher than in Chile due to the worse healthcare system. Their child mortality rate, which is a good indicator for the average availability of healthcare in normal times, is 3.4%. Chile's is 0.6%. Rural India is a whole other world in terms of lack of healthcare, and hospitals collapsed there.

If estimates put about 900 million Indians having antibodies, I would guesstimate anywhere between 9 and 30 million deaths. It will take decades for us to know the true size of this catastrophe.
There are some estimates that the 1918 pandemic killed 50 to 60 million Indians. Now, obviously, that is not directly comparable for a whole pile of reasons; but, that might be an indication of some sort of ceiling of what is possible in India without any sort of systemic intervention at all. That number would need to be adjusted for for population growth of course, but there are large parts of India that are not living with much more of a technological advanced society than they were in 1918.

Whatever the number, it is definitely not 4,000 a day peak, nor is it 400,000 deaths since the pandemic started. That fiction would be like saying that India outperformed the United States in limiting deaths by like a factor of x8 to x10 times.

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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:49 pm

1,861 new cases, 181 deaths

9,647 active cases, 2.69% positivity rate
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Post by RuneTheChookcha » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:34 pm

I had to visit Santiago yesterday by bus and it was difficult to pass though a health/military checkpoint on my way back ( the Pajaritos terminal). May I ask a legal question in this regard? May I rephrase the question so it can be posted in the legal section of the forum?
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Post by admin » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:23 pm

RuneTheChookcha wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:34 pm
I had to visit Santiago yesterday by bus and it was difficult to pass though a health/military checkpoint on my way back ( the Pajaritos terminal). May I ask a legal question in this regard? May I rephrase the question so it can be posted in the legal section of the forum?
NO!!!!

and, I will give you a quick answer why not (I did read the question before deleting it).

because, some dumb ass gringo is going to try and do it, and get themselves in a world of hurt and legal trouble and not even fully understand why.

and my telephone will ring at 2 a.m., and the conversation will start with something like, "....but, you said on your forum...".
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:52 pm

1,656 new cases, 83 deaths

9,907 active cases, 2.65% positivity rate.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:20 pm

so, seems there is a fairly consistent picture about the delta varient emerging.

It spreads fast, because it incubates fast. I have seen several doctors saying it takes as little as 4 days from time of first symptoms until someone is in the ICU. the original varient was running a few weeks from exposure, incubation, to hospitalization. high viral loads early = easy transmission.

now a study out of china is confirmed that,

https://www.livescience.com/amp/covid-d ... ssion.html

The higher virus load earlier would also be consistent with the passengers flying in with PCR negative tests, testing negative on arrival, and then positive a few days later.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by mem » Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:47 am

Seems like if they moved the pre departure test requirment back to 5 days instead of 3 days they would test positive on the arrival test.

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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by tiagoabner » Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:51 am

mem wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:47 am
Seems like if they moved the pre departure test requirment back to 5 days instead of 3 days they would test positive on the arrival test.
Yes, but then the government would be efficient, and we can't have that.

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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:26 pm

so paris said it out loud, they are considering vaccination of kids 3 to 12 with sinovac, and the comments under this article exploded with near unanimous "GO FUCK YOURSELF"!!!!!

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... -anos.html

DO YOU THINK THE FUFFY SOCCER MOMS IN LOS CONDES ARE GOING TO GIVE SINOVAC TO THEIR KIDS?

no way.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:23 pm

1,407 new cases, 83 deaths

9,307 active cases, 2.19% positivity rate
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:31 pm

aahhh, now it makes sense. the administration fuck ups had the balls to go on bloomberg and push that shit before they even said it to the country. Why? because the fucking chinese delegation is in the country looking to build a sinovac plant here.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... thin-weeks
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