coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:14 pm

papageno wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:27 pm
ghibli wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:31 am
a couple of points re the vaccines... truly the Pfizer effort looks scary. Not even tested on animals and an entirely new approach which is now all of three months old? No thanks. Add to that the fact that the us .gov has given all these pharma f's complete immunity from any liability and I'm out.

Re chile and vacinations: When I was bitten by the street dog in Valpo the chile .gov paid for the five injections. I was told that chile is so determined to eliminate rabies (and other diseases) that the vaccination is provided free. I did have to pay for the wound repair plus antibiotics, but anyway, thank you chile!
Dog bites; yeah that was my experience too. :roll:
Well, I have a free vaccine for that too: stop messing with the dogs!!! :lol:
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by 41southchile » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:01 pm

Here we go again 🙄.
It doesn't take a genius to work out what early next year will hold for the country. I think admin called this 🤔 months ago, I'm not saying you're not a genius admin, but it appears in these times we are living in, it only takes 5 minutes of thinking rationally and a few what if scenarios to see what will play out.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by ghibli » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:55 pm

I'm going to take exception to that. It was a street dog, i.e. abandoned by some human. It attacked me from behind - just like they do in the movies of dog packs pulling down cows, horses, sheep, what have you. This kind of thing happens more often than some dog owners think.
Joggers, bicyclers, kids playing are regularly killed by dogs as well as horses, cows, sheep, chickens, etc. Rabies is still a big problem in India. Some 60,000 people die every year from it, mostly due to dog bites. I don't mess with dogs if they don't mess with me. If you think that my limp from the remaining scar tissue is funny - go ahead and ban me. BTW, the MD who saw me in Valpo said that dog bites are pretty common there.

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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:48 am

41southchile wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:01 pm
Here we go again 🙄.
It doesn't take a genius to work out what early next year will hold for the country. I think admin called this 🤔 months ago, I'm not saying you're not a genius admin, but it appears in these times we are living in, it only takes 5 minutes of thinking rationally and a few what if scenarios to see what will play out.
https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... ticas.html
:lol:

no, I cheated. I just skipped ahead and watched the end of the movie. In fact, specifically this documentary series seems to have covered it best, of all the documentaries I have watched on the history of pandemics:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=odufcENQa ... oW&index=1

This is pretty much exactly how the first truly Global pandemic played out in 1300's mas o menos, and we have never in the history of humanity managed to control a pandemic so far.

what is different this time?

so far, not much.

Guess what? masks and social distancing were all the rage back then, and no one even knew what was causing it; but the bigger lesson was the more people move, the more the virus moves.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:48 am

ghibli wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:55 pm
I'm going to take exception to that. It was a street dog, i.e. abandoned by some human. It attacked me from behind - just like they do in the movies of dog packs pulling down cows, horses, sheep, what have you. This kind of thing happens more often than some dog owners think.
Joggers, bicyclers, kids playing are regularly killed by dogs as well as horses, cows, sheep, chickens, etc. Rabies is still a big problem in India. Some 60,000 people die every year from it, mostly due to dog bites. I don't mess with dogs if they don't mess with me. If you think that my limp from the remaining scar tissue is funny - go ahead and ban me. BTW, the MD who saw me in Valpo said that dog bites are pretty common there.
sorry, badly delivered tastless joke.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:17 am

admin wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:48 am
41southchile wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:01 pm
Here we go again 🙄.
It doesn't take a genius to work out what early next year will hold for the country. I think admin called this 🤔 months ago, I'm not saying you're not a genius admin, but it appears in these times we are living in, it only takes 5 minutes of thinking rationally and a few what if scenarios to see what will play out.
https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... ticas.html
:lol:

no, I cheated. I just skipped ahead and watched the end of the movie. In fact, specifically this documentary series seems to have covered it best, of all the documentaries I have watched on the history of pandemics:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=odufcENQa ... oW&index=1

This is pretty much exactly how the first truly Global pandemic played out in 1300's mas o menos, and we have never in the history of humanity managed to control a pandemic so far.

what is different this time?

so far, not much.

Guess what? masks and social distancing were all the rage back then, and no one even knew what was causing it; but the bigger lesson was the more people move, the more the virus moves.
There is something that is worse about this one.

I can walk out my front door right now, with nothing more than the clothes on my back and a hand full of little plastic cards (i.e. credit cards and passports), and in 24 to 72 hours, reach pretty much any point on the planet (o.k., it might take me a week to get to Antarica ). Definitely in less time than it takes this bug to incubate.

In spite of the political security theater going on, lockdowns, travel restrictions, quartines, etc, people are still able to move around the planet with very little effort; in fact, still with less effort than ever before in the history of humanity. Hell, people are going back and forth to the International space station, regularly.

Perhaps a bit more expensive. Perhaps there is a risk of some fines here or there, if I was to get caught in certain places. however, not really impossible to do. Millions of people are still traveling. refuggees are still crossing borders. Buisness people are still flying. politicians and the ultra rich are flying their private planes. Even relatively poor and middle class people are able to move great distances with little to costs. Mostly we have just added some minor inconvience to travel.

As long as people are moving, the virus is moving. Thousands of years, nothing has changed, except the velocity of travel.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:55 am

so, now that a ultra cold storage vaccine seems to be leading the development pack, the world is scrambling for dry ice. seems lots of politicians are blowing smoke up everyone's rear about having plenty of dry ice, even though there is already a shortage forming.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/11/21/worl ... index.html

guess who has a really robust dry ice industry? Chile. All the fresh salmon and seefood chile exports around the world by airplane and other meathods, depends on dry ice.
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Post by nwdiver » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:23 pm

admin wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:55 am
so, now that a ultra cold storage vaccine seems to be leading the development pack, the world is scrambling for dry ice. seems lots of politicians are blowing smoke up everyone's rear about having plenty of dry ice, even though there is already a shortage forming.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/11/21/worl ... index.html

guess who has a really robust dry ice industry? Chile. All the fresh salmon and seefood chile exports around the world by airplane and other meathods, depends on dry ice.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, now if they have volume vaccine manufacturing they could license and corner the market in the Southern Hemisphere for the Pfizer vaccine, the Moderna vaccine needs regular cold storage so may have a leg up in less developed areas......
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:35 pm

sooooo, just made a trip in to puerto varas. zero sanitary barriers or other checks.

seen one cop driving around, otherwise nothing.

there were less people out, but it is also kind of cold and rainy today.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by papageno » Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:11 pm

admin wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:35 pm
sooooo, just made a trip in to puerto varas. zero sanitary barriers or other checks.

seen one cop driving around, otherwise nothing.

there were less people out, but it is also kind of cold and rainy today.
They were checking, possibly at random, on Gramado. That was this morning, maybe none later.

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Post by admin » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:09 am

so seems the mayor of puerto varas is going to court to try and get a protection order against the government over the quartine.
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Re: coronavirus (COVID-19) in Chile

Post by admin » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:25 pm

another randomized trial of Vitamin D, and its effects on treating sever covid cases:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7H2c0Zm6PFw
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