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Re: New law on keeping pets

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:45 pm
by fraggle092
frozen-north wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:28 pm

I think that you might be quoting the revised edition, and not the one that was originally proposed and rejected.
This page seems to have a link to the original document, but I can't get it to display.

http://www.t13.cl/noticia/nacional/mins ... de-hogares
Yeah, I used that link but it has an embedded pdf. This is the actual pdf document I quoted:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1brdF2N ... 4xeEb/view

Pretty modest and reasonable proposals IMHO.

Re: New law on keeping pets

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:06 pm
by frozen-north
fraggle092 wrote:
Pretty modest and reasonable proposals IMHO.

As I said, it seems that you are looking at a revised edition. There are enough articles to indicate that the original had serious problems, and was not what you are describing as 'pretty modest and reasonable proposals'.

Ministerio detalló los artículos retirados

Tras el revuelo provocado, el Ministerio de Salud explicó este miércoles los artículos más polémicos que retiró del instructivo.

De acuerdo a lo informado por la cartera, quedan fuera la exigencia de los 100 metros cuadrados para tener una mascota, la eutanasia, las multas por alimentar animales callejeros y la disposición de que sólo un mayor de 18 años pueda pasear a su perro.


http://www.cooperativa.cl/noticias/pais ... 45541.html

Re: New law on keeping pets

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:53 pm
by fraggle092
It was a proposal. For discussion. So they changed it. Its still only a proposal. It may get changed again, and will
probably eventually get dropped completely.

What do you think about this, presumably revised, proposal ?

Re: New law on keeping pets

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:18 pm
by Donnybrook
fraggle092 wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:16 pm
From a sanitary aspect, I find that cats are worse than dogs. At least dogshit gets sporadically collected, or spread around on pedestrian shoes. But in my town catshit on the rooftops remains intact and undisturbed, providing an excellent breeding ground for flies. Last year I paid a guy to scrape several buckets full off my roofs. Unfortunately nobody else here seems to be aware the problem even exists. Its friggin mediaeval here, still.
Amen to that. Aside from the dogs I also get an invasion of neighbourhood cats. These cats belong to people but are allowed to roam anywhere and everywhere. They have not had vaccinations, have not been neutered. They come into the house in summer and I have found them upstairs, on the kitchen counter, spraying the dining room curtains. When approached about the problem, the neighbour next door said I should close my windows.

Re: New law on keeping pets

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:06 pm
by fraggle092
Gloria wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:22 pm
How difficult would be to have made screen windows and a summer screen door to keep the critters out? Would be a good idea to keep near a spray bottle with vinegar, citrus oils, lavander even garlic.I also have another solution but I don' t think you'll going to like..... :D
I have two solutions. This is the first one. Only works one time per cat though.
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Re: New law on keeping pets

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:44 pm
by fraggle092
Gloria wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:22 pm

And what's the other?
I counsel the animal, pointing out that his freedom of action stops where my Rights commence. I suggest that he adopt a more civilized attitude to life, one that doesn't involve killing our garden birds and shitting and pissing everywhere, and that he earn his living as a useful and respected member of society by catching vermin like rats and mice.
Gloria wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:22 pm
I also have another solution but I don' t think you'll going to like it..... :D
Umm, so have I. What's yours?

Re: New law on keeping pets

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:13 pm
by ghibli
I don't suppose there is much good in mentioning the rights of humans..... Truly, it's not the number or type of pets, it's the behavior of their owners. If any given 20 dogs or cats are well cared for and taught manners - fine! The problem is the trashy people wh get the cute puppy or kitty, don't bother to teach it manners or house break it, and then abandon it in the street when they're tired of cleaning up the house. Those abandoned animals run wild -- not too much fun for the civilians. i was bitten by a street dog in Valpo and had to take the five shot rabies course. I've spent days, weeks, months sleepless because some pompous asshole refuses to teach his fog not to bark, or worse, leaves it alone all day to bark bark bark.... Best bet in my humble opinion who be to fine the owners of pets who caused problems rather than make silly rules on numbers.... Never happen tho. Can't have people being responsible for their stuff. Sigh.

Re: New law on keeping pets

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:51 pm
by Donnybrook
Gloria wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:22 pm
How difficult would be to have made screen windows and a summer screen door to keep the critters out? Would be a good idea to keep near a spray bottle with vinegar, citrus oils, lavander even garlic.I also have another solution but I don' t think you'll going to like it..... :D
I've tried it all. I even have toy gun with plastic pellet bullets.

Actually, I think I would like your other solution very much.

Fraggle's idea of screens on doors and windows may be a good one but I don't see why I should make a major investment just because my neighbour belongs to the "Viva Yo!" fan club.

Re: New law on keeping pets

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:26 pm
by Julito
Culture, the majority of Chileans are deaf when it comes to barking dogs, street dogs and shit on the streets, they've grown up with it and it's still considered a normal part of their living environment. Though things are slowly changing for the better in some parts of the country, particularly where expats and tourists congregate.

Re: New law on keeping pets

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:42 pm
by fraggle092
Donnybrook wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:51 pm
Fraggle's idea of screens on doors and windows may be a good one but I don't see why I should make a major investment just because my neighbour belongs to the "Viva Yo!" fan club.
Nah, that was Gloria's idea. I find not much stops a cat from getting where it wants to go, not even barbed wire.

Along similar lines, the property next door to us briefly became a kennel several years ago, with an Argentinian guy selling dodgy pedigree dogs. A person staying with us at the time got fed up with the continual racket and suggested we buy muzzles to reduce the barking. Obviously a foreigner, yes? A local would know that any muzzles we provided would be immediately resold back to the same shop that we bought them from.

And when I complained about the flies and stink, the local health inspector, always so zealous in checking our property, could only suggest that we fumigate more often."No hay normas", he said in typical Chilean fashion. Yeah, right, fumigate more at $100.000 a session. But as it turned out there were normas,in the form of local municipal ordenanzas that prohibited kennels in urban areas. So we got the dogs out eventually, but the owner took his revenge in other ways. All along we were made to feel that it was up to us to solve a problem caused by someone else.

Re: New law on keeping pets

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:53 am
by bobserb
Fraggle's idea of screens on doors and windows may be a good one but I don't see why I should make a major investment just because my neighbour belongs to the "Viva Yo!" fan club. Understandable however is to your benefit and I must tell you, it doesn't cost much. It's only a wooden frame with a fly or bug screen sold at Sodimac. The screen door could be a little more but is very simple to do.
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< NO EMAIL > I made my own window screens with wooden frames .Cost 3 000 pesos per window.Against mosquitoes,rats,flies.Very few houses have them.

Re: New law on keeping pets

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:25 pm
by fraggle092
I didn't recommend screens to keep cats out, that was Gloria's idea. Good for insects though.
One of my wife's cats shredded a steel mesh window screen and poked its head through trying to get into the kitchen.....
Cup of water to the face discouraged it though.
The steel mesh sold here rusts quite quickly in a coastal environment, 5 years at most. Bit longer if its painted.