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Re: Any biofuels in Chile?

Post by Veg » Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:48 pm

admin,
yea, thats what I had in mind to try and do, pretty much same as here. Some I pay a bit to keep their loyalty others I spend money at now and then so everyone gets something. As a bonus you get to meet some weird and wonderful people while looking for oil.
Would love to do some road trips and explore Chile. The boss is also keen, although Chilena she has only seen a small part of Chile. Couple of lads on the veg forum decided to see proper snow for Christmas, put a 1000l IBC of oil in the back of a van, got on the ferry and drove to Tromso!
I'm only a beginner at this, some of the hard core veg collectors/users fuel a CHP setup (usually based on a Lister clone) for house heat and power as well as car.

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Re: Any biofuels in Am'urka... ja, ja, ja?

Post by greg~judy » Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:21 am

G'day allchileans... same topic, different place.
wanna see something absolutely, astoundingly moronic :?:
now g~j and others have been cognizant of this fiasco for some time...
but look - now from (gasp!) the washingtontimes!
one of the bastions of MSM...
swallow this one - try not to choke on it.

(in part)...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... wer/print/
...using food crops to make biofuels was “absolute madness.”

The epicenter of that madness is the U.S. corn-ethanol sector. This year, it will consume 40 percent of all U.S. corn - that’s about 15 percent of global corn production or 5 percent of all global grain - in order to produce a volume of motor fuel with the energy equivalent of about 0.6 percent of global oil needs.

Congress lavishes about $7 billion in annual subsidies, mandates and tariff protections upon an industry that is helping push global food prices to all-time highs and shrink grain reserves at the very same time that global grain production is faltering and protests over food prices are becoming common.

The quantity of grain to be consumed this year for ethanol production - 4.9 billion bushels - boggles the mind. That’s more than twice as much as all the corn produced in Brazil and more than six times as much as is grown in India. Put another way, that’s more corn than the output of the European Union, Mexico, Argentina and India combined.

Despite these facts, President Obama said last month in his State of the Union speech, “We can break our dependence on oil with biofuels.”...
read the whole article folks...
kinda boggles the mind, eh?

hey... see all those "revolting people" in the middle east and north africa...
wanna know where another revolution is really~truly~sorely needed?
(rhetorical, of course - we all know the answer)
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Re: Any biofuels in Am'urka... ja, ja, ja?

Post by greg~judy » Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:22 am

patagoniax wrote:
greg~judy wrote: wanna know where another revolution is really~truly~sorely needed?
You get upset when I suggest that.
Or is it that I insist that they bring back the guillotine this time?
off topic, of course...
however, you should remember Roberto...
oft-times in the past we have merely disagreed on the methodology
because you have frequently tended to espouse violence?
(perhaps some habit energy of your past lives?)

but remember, not all revolutions need be violent!
although the means may always debatable
certainly the end is not - for those fortunate to remain sane.

you (and others) may wish to begin your research here
:idea:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-violence

and also we should consider the preface to Don Quixote's previous words...
Being retired, he has much time for books.
He studies them from morn till night and often through the night and morn again,
and all he reads oppresses him;
fills him with indignation at man's murderous ways toward man.
He ponders the problem of how to make better a world
where evil brings profit and virtue none at all;
where fraud and deceit are mingled with truth and sincerity.
He broods and broods and broods and broods and finally his brains dry up.
He lays down the melancholy burden of sanity and conceives the strangest project ever imagined....
to become a knight-errant, and sally forth into the world in search of adventures;
to mount a crusade; to raise up the weak and those in need.
who would continue those "murderous ways"?
and who might "mount a crusade"?

con suerte, g~j... (aka Don y Pancho)...
perhaps we will remain "knight(s)-errant"...
"sally(ing) forth into the world in search of adventures"
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Re: Any biofuels in Chile?

Post by admin » Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:48 am

We are talking about revolution in the States.

Is there seriously anyone that thinks a revolution in the States would not be a violent revolution, directly or indirectly? It is a pretty violent society on day to day basis.
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Re: Any biofuels in Chile?

Post by greg~judy » Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:54 am

admin wrote:We are talking about revolution in the States.

Is there seriously anyone that thinks a revolution in the States would not be a violent revolution, directly or indirectly? It is a pretty violent society on day to day basis.
continuing off topic :wink:
we concur, Charles...
lotta guns there - 2nd amendment and all...
but in the long run - we may only wish that saner minds may prevail?
buena suerte to those who WILL be involved
the country was birthed in revolution...
damn near time for another one IMO
not if - but when
perhaps sooner vs. later
:idea:
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Re: Any biofuels in Chile?

Post by admin » Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:59 am

By the way, I am just more inclined to think the States will end with just a rather none impressive whimper as its influence declines.

Ethanol I think is a huge political pork barrel, toss some money at the mid-west, of the United States sort of thing. Nothing makes economic or scientific sense about it, but if you want to get elected it makes perfect sense.
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Re: Any biofuels in Chile?

Post by Tombi » Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:40 am

They like to fry food in Chile, and that stuff just goes to waist
:lol: So true :mrgreen:

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Re: Any biofuels in Am'urka... ja, ja, ja?

Post by greg~judy » Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:52 pm

patagoniax wrote:
greg~judy wrote:... consider the preface to Don Quixote's previous words...
Quixotic: "foolishly impractical especially in the pursuit of ideals"
and to continue off topic...
many thanx for the opportunity to use these quick rejoinders
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Il n'y a point de sots si incommodes que ceux qui ont de l'esprit...
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Re: Any biofuels in Chile?

Post by greg~judy » Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:00 am

ok... we know, we know... :!:
kinda your typical hijack of a thread...
but blame it on p~x - he started with this...
in response to a stray addendum we made about ridiculous bio-fuel policies.
by patagoniax » 20 Feb 2011 02:01
greg~judy wrote:wanna know where another revolution is really~truly~sorely needed?

You get upset when I suggest that. Or is it that I insist that they bring back the guillotine this time?
anyway... a timely continuance to the hijack - also seemingly endorsed by admin with this...
admin wrote:We are talking about revolution in the States.

Is there seriously anyone that thinks a revolution in the States would not be a violent revolution, directly or indirectly? It is a pretty violent society on day to day basis.
.
so, if we may continue... :?:
from... Revolution Handbook for Americans
All this means that nonviolent revolution in the US is probably even more difficult than in traditional dictatorships. But that does not mean impossible.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=23296

which therein offers this weighty tome...
From Dictatorship to Democracy
http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations/org/FDTD.pdf
which includes the thesis of...
"...ideas, strategies and tactics, a handbook for revolution, (that) can and should be applied to the US where there is a form of corporate dictatorship operating.

coming to a country near you, whether you may want it or not...
so - CYA - buena suerte to all - may all be well and happy
even though you may all (eventually) be "revolting" persons
:idea:
g~j... always basically rabble-rousing, shit-disturbing and meme-spreading
WTF :D
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Re: Any biofuels in Chile?

Post by admin » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:38 pm

The U.S. is a basic textbook case of Plato's Republic of developed oligarchies. Somehow over time there was this silly idea pushed to the masses that there needs to be a single villain to have a repressive government. China, Russia, Saudi Arabia would be good obvious cases in point. In the States they call them "special interest groups" to keep them from being labeled as anything more sinister (unless it is in the other special interest groups interest to label them as such).

In the new world order (which is a lot like the old world order) there are citizens, slaves, and barbarians at the gates (those that refuse to be either citizen or slave).
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