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Re: Private schools

Post by nwdiver » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:04 am

If the better private schools are so mediocer how come they place a larger proportion of thier grads in the few spots in good Univercity programs, like the PUC Engineering School? The spaces are offered blind based on the national placement exams (that everyone writes) so the Univercities can't know who or where the students come from just thier scores........after the scores are released you have about 7 days to make your applications...... To keep it fair after application deadlines are past and classes are full they release the scores with the names attached, you can't game the system like many places....
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Re: Private schools

Post by estela_zj » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:35 am

scandinavian wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:55 pm
You realise that the school year runs from March - December down here?
If you expect to your son into a school from say July, then I think you will need to apply to all you can find and then take whatever place has an open spot. In order for us to help, you need to specify a bit more - You say Nido is too expensive, but what is your budget?
Anywhere in Santiago is a huge area - Might want to narrow it down a bit?

In regards to religion, then I wouldn't be too worried, as long as you avoid the catholic schools. I am not sure how it works in public schools, but I would assume that religion is optional. At the school my kid attends, it is up to the kid / parent whether they want to attend religion. No grades.

a quick google search gives me this;
Hi scandinavian
Thank you for the information.
Yes, I realize the school year is different there from what we have here in the Netherlands. Actually, we are counting on that to find a school before the semester starts. I don't really have a budget as education here in public school is free and quite okay, and to be honest, I was thinking about letting him learn Spanish before the semester and get into a public school, until I saw so many downsides regarding public schools mentioned here. I guess I have to go for the cheapest range that I can find (if that means $5,000-6,000 per year, I have to try to meet that goal). The mean issue is we are not going to stay there forever, maybe just 1-2 years, then the admission cost and all the other costs that you pay once to cover for the entire time in the school seems "crazy" in my situation. In fact, I have searched all the private schools mentioned in the past posts, and like you said, none of them are cheap.

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Re: Private schools

Post by estela_zj » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:41 am

Britkid wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:25 pm
That list of British schools doesn't of course include other English, bilingual schools with connections or style more to US or elswhere than Britain. So you could also look at SEK, Lincoln for instance which I don't think is on that list. My original shortlist when I looked into this 5 years ago also included American British, Tips, Lo Castillo, Bradford, St Andrew, San Gabriel. Add the schools in this post to the Absch link plus the ones you already mentioned and you have most of the properly good bilingual schools in the Santiago area. If not bilingual at least a good English standard with some classes other than English itself given in English at many of them.

Suggest do a suggest for old articles on the forum also.

The budget range of these schools (excluding Nido) is 6,000-14,000 pounds per year per student (7000-17000 euro, 8000-20000 dollar) for total costs monthly fees + sign up fees +books/clothes/trips etc. If you cannot afford 6000 pounds/7000 euro/8000 dollar per year you are going to be disappointed by most or all of the schools mentioned so far. That is a very rough guide since I am looking at the prices I checked 4-5 years ago and assuming they are still similar.

The first year tends to be higher due to the inclusion of a sign up fee.

Most of the bilingual schools in Santiago are in the North-East region where the highest concentration of wealthy Chileans + ex-pats are, typically in Las Condes or adjacent areas.

Chile is not all that religious and many schools are fairly secular, sometimes with religion/christian classes with an opt out or an alternative. However, check on a case by case basis.

Now is a good time to be searching if you are looking for a March 2019 start, and it is definately not just about the money to get in to the schools, you have to find out which have places or will accept your son, who will typically have to do some tests as well as an interview with either you and/or your son. If you are looking to find him a place mid year, that may be more difficult but it is worth a try. I am not sure how difficult that is but could be hit and miss and you would quite likely not get your first choice school but have to try a number.
Hi Britkid,
Thank you so much for the list of schools and the cost range. Yes, as you mentioned, the sign-up cost seems "crazy" to me. Actually, that is my major concern. I can try to pay for the annual tuition, but we won't be there for longer than 2 years, paying all those additional "one-time" costs just doesn't make sense to me and made me really frustrated. I will keep looking. Thank you again.

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Re: Private schools

Post by estela_zj » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:48 am

admin wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:56 pm
Yea, and public schools are not really an option. A couple of clients, that tried to send their kids to a public school, in a fairly small rural area, basically described it as ´ all our kids learned was how to swear in Spanish´. The kids were left to themselves for hours on end with no teacher, in a full on lord of the flies sort of administration. Try that in Santiago, with a kid that does not speak fully fluent Spanish and they will eat the kid alive.

So your pretty much stuck with private schools. Unfortunately, there use to be a lot more kind of half and half, subsidized, cheaper private schools, but the prior socialist administration pretty much wiped them out in the recent education reform.

So now it is pay extraordinarily high fees for a private school, or be o.k. with our kid becoming fluent in Spanish slang and little else.

Some how the socialist believed removing that mid market option made everyone more equal. It sort of did. Not only do the poor kids get a crap education now, but much of the middle class is going to get the same crap education.

P.S., some of the most low class, uneducated, and ignorant people I have ever met in Chile, were public school teachers. Also a strangely disproportionate number I have crossed paths with (granted, a pretty limited number as I dont have kids), were in the process of committing fraud or being charged with fraud, including among other things falsifying their teaching credentials.
Hi admin,

Thank you for your advice. Yes, actually I was thinking about finding him a subsidized school or a half and half. However, the posts that I could find online were years ago. Now I see why. Guess I will have to keep looking. I really want him to be with the local kids, but language will be an issue in the beginning. I also checked Spanish schools (was thinking maybe I could make his Spanish to the level that can get him in public school before the semester), but my goodness, they are not cheap either (I received a quote of $7,000 for 2 months). I will keep searching.

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Re: Private schools

Post by estela_zj » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:51 am

41southchile wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:47 pm
I know a few ex Pat parents who home school their kids, and can totally understand that as its the best option when you look at their local schooling options.

Hi 41southchile

Thank you for the information. Yes, I realize that Chile schooling is not cheap. That is definitely a big "minus" on the list. I am no teaching material at all, so I don't think homeschooling is not an option for me. Anyway, thank you.

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Re: Private schools

Post by estela_zj » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:53 am

jehturner wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:56 pm
It doesn't really help the OP, but just FYI, they're not as expensive in La Serena (eg. up to $5000/yr in lower grades) and seem OK. They probably can't compete with the top Santiago schools, but kids we've known have had no problem getting into US universities, for example (OK, that pits them against US schools, which isn't a very high bar, but I think our kids' school is probably as good as my school in the UK was).
Hi jehturner,

Thank you for the information. I will definitely check that one out.

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Re: Private schools

Post by estela_zj » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:56 am

Britkid wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:23 pm
I think personally at the end of the day it's sensible to spend 10%-25% of your family income on schools. Start with what you can afford and see what's available in that range.
Dear Britkid,

Thank you for the suggestion.

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Re: Private schools

Post by estela_zj » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:01 am

StrawberryHeartsForever wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:23 pm
I know a couple of mums who have their kids in state schools in ñuñoa and they are very happy! They are not all bad. However I have decided to put my son in the Barrie Montessori. He is currently in jardin there. I think this is an excellent alternative given the state of education here. I think that as expensive as they are, the private schools do not offer an outstanding education here. Certainly not for what you pay. I know people who have worked in the ones mentioned and the level of education is comparable to a good comp. In the UK. In effect you pay to be part of a clique that will be important for you in your working life if you remain in Chile..in job interviews they even ask where you went to high school. Sad but true.
Hi StrawberryHeartsForever,

Thank you. We are not planning to stay there forever, so I won't be worried about him finding a job in Chile for the moment. Maybe he will decide to come back in the future when he grows up, but that's another story to be worried in another time. "Ñuñoa", I will definitely put that on my search list. Really appreciated.

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Re: Private schools

Post by 41southchile » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:52 am

nwdiver wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:04 am
If the better private schools are so mediocer how come they place a larger proportion of thier grads in the few spots in good Univercity programs, like the PUC Engineering School? The spaces are offered blind based on the national placement exams (that everyone writes) so the Univercities can't know who or where the students come from just thier scores........after the scores are released you have about 7 days to make your applications...... To keep it fair after application deadlines are past and classes are full they release the scores with the names attached, you can't game the system like many places....
That opens a whole other can of worms, and different issues and questions, but they are mediocre in my experience.
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Re: Private schools

Post by Gloria » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:24 am

Estela_zj, probably would be wise to find a sort of Skype "penpal" for him on line to teach him few words at least to get familiarized. Someone his age with english background as well....just thinking.
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Re: Private schools

Post by bones » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:37 am

I am a little concerned with the religiousness of schools in public schools, and would like to find a school where religion isn't forced on children.
I wouldn't worry too much about it. Yes, they teach it to them but they're not indoctrinating them.
Also, an English or bilingual school would probably be needed as my son does not speak very good Spanish yet.
Does he speak any Spanish, or can he at least understand? Our daughter, who is 6, spoke a little and understood well when she started this year, and hasn't had a problem in a non-bilingual school.
I wonder if anyone knows of any or knows a website that may list them?


There is a Facebook group called Chile English K-12 Schools Review. Not sure how active it is, but you might try there. I also used this tool on the mineduc site - http://www.mime.mineduc.cl/mime-web/mvc/mime/mapa. Wouldn't be useful for searching for bilingual schools, but is useful if looking for schools by area or finding more information on their web pages/social media accounts.

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Re: Private schools

Post by admin » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:00 am

The private schools, on the extreme top end, are worth it, if your kid is going to live in chile long-term. It really is about the connections. Those are the contacts that will make or break a professional carrear in just about everything for the rest of their life.

It will determine what university they go to, probably who they marrry, where they work, how fast they are promoted, and so on.

Is that fair? Hell no, but it is the game that is played. Are you really going to cripple your kids future to make some sort of social justice statement? No one one is going to care, or even notice.

I was running the numbers on my nephews and nieces tution at private scools, and realized putting that money in to a index fund for 10 to 20 years would probably yield sufficient money they would never need to work again.

But...., those contacts they make will be in the circle that run the country, pretty much insures they will make 10 times, at least, what a compariable kid that went to a public school just in life opertunities.

Look at the entire congress of chile. How about the presidents of chile? What universities did they go to? Hell, even a lot of the communist party members went to the university of chile, catholica, or one of the other big named schools.

But if you have a kid here for few months it is not going to do much for them. Sign them up for football or something. They will learn spanish, get to have some fun. Hire a tutor if you need to keep the achedemic end of things going.
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