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rising anti-immigration politics in the Chilean Election

Post by admin » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:21 am

Well, get ready for it.

The presidential election is likely to put an anti-immigration debate on top, right or wrong:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-chile ... SKBN1591CF

One thing that article get's right, that it seems few articles want to bluntly say, is that the rise of Haitan, african, and generally black immigrants is most likely the source of the sudden attention by politicians and preoccupation with immigrants. Chile is a big country, it is hardly being swamped by immigrants. However, Chile is a fairly racist country. As I said on another thread, "racism" does not even really capture the preoccupation a lot of Chileans have with skin color. They will discriminate against their own family members for being just a little darker than the rest (that no objective observer could even detect). No one was getting very upset about say a surge of Peruvians, or Bolivians, but once darker Colombians or Venezuelans started showing up, and were visible on the streets, suddendly everyone started chit chatting. Once Hatians and other darker carribean nationals started showing up, suddenly the immigration system became front and center politics, that both the left and the right seem eager to exploit.

There is also a bit of backlash towards Bachelet's administration socialist policies also at play, as they have focused on increasing the number of refugees say from wars and whatever, while also providing easy immigration paths to economic refugees. Hard to swallow for most of the population, rich and poor, while there are still so many Chileans that are poor.

For more traditional immigrants from Europe, U.S., and other developed countries I don't think this will mean much; however, we definitely need to keep an eye out for unintended consequences. Mostly in terms of overly restricted attempts at fixing the bureaucracy. In fact, that is likely what this is all going to boil down to, because none of the current proposal actually change anything in the current law (yea, they seem not to have read the current law, before writing their proposal for changes). It is all in there all ready, and just mostly badly implemented.
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Re: rising anti-immigration politics in the Chilean Election

Post by admin » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:29 am

By the way, thanks to Trump, we are now seeing a new interest in Chile from a group that use to be mostly a trickle: various nationals that are U.S. residents with H1-B type visa holders, suddenly interested in pulling out the United States due to Trump. They do not believe their visa status is secure, but do not want to go home (where ever home is), and are instead asking about moving to Chile.
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Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:50 am

So begins a new cycle of newbies who after a couple of months will complain about Chile being Chile especially after being spoiled in that Imperial realm. Come to Ssshhhiiiile snowflakes!
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Re: rising anti-immigration politics in the Chilean Election

Post by admin » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:47 pm

yea, what we will likely see is a uptick in the number of people trying to use Chile as an access route to the U.S. and Europe.

Especially the countries that Trump is suspending visas for, which appears to be: Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen

I would suspect also an increase from other Latin American countries, where even the perception of getting in to the U.S. becoming more difficult is sufficient to have people start looking for other routes.

By the way, Chile, unofficially, already has a national security review process for most Muslim countries. No one in official circles that I know of has ever acknowledged it's existence, but there is one.

What I think the Chilean government should be careful with is a surge of people using Chilean residency or nationality, to get their foot in the door in developed countries, jeopardizing Chile's visa waiver programs and other relatively easy travel. When a few years back Pakistan became a major visa fraud route through Chile, they suspended all visas for Pakistani nationals to Chile. They were using Chile as a route to get in to the U.S. and Canada, under the assumption there would be less scrutiny of people arriving from Chile.
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Re: rising anti-immigration politics in the Chilean Election

Post by frozen-north » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:12 pm

admin wrote:
yea, what we will likely see is a uptick in the number of people trying to use Chile as an access route to the U.S. and Europe.

Especially the countries that Trump is suspending visas for, which appears to be: Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen.

I would suspect also an increase from other Latin American countries, where even the perception of getting in to the U.S. becoming more difficult is sufficient to have people start looking for other routes.
Perhaps for few weeks, a month, but as [at?] some point I think I would rather risk a move to somewhere you could start a life over again. The guys risking their life crossing the Mediterranean on rafts seem to have come to the same conclusion.
http://www.allchile.net/chileforum/view ... 1&start=12
Yeah. At some point of desperation one can take desperate measures:

Frostbitten refugee will lose fingers, toe after 7-hour trek to cross U.S.-Canada border

A Ghanaian refugee who almost died during a trek to cross the U.S.-Canada border into Manitoba on Christmas Eve will lose all of his fingers, a toe and possibly his arms.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ ... -1.3930146
Hundreds of asylum seekers illegally entering Manitoba near Emerson border
Refugee claimants primarily from Somalia, Canada's border agency says

Winnipeg immigration lawyer Bashir Khan said ... people fleeing their countries will go at great lengths to find safety.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ ... -1.3923747

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Re: rising anti-immigration politics in the Chilean Election

Post by Billhere » Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:02 pm

You might also find an influx from those already in the Americas, but also unable to get further North.

There was a programme on the BBC over the last few weeks entitled Walking the Americas, a documentary about two ex military types walking through from the Southern part of Mexico through the countries en route to the border with Columbia. Last week they crossed over from Costa Rica into Panama only to discover that there is a block on refugees entering Costa Rica and those on the wrong side of the border living in the most squalid conditions.

The first person they spoke to was from the Congo, who seemed to have got through every South American country, except Chile, en route to the USA. He was stuck now, together with a woman from another undetermined African country, not knowing where to go next.

Apparently the going rate to get into Puerto Rica and onward to the States in $10,000. They didn't have it so the only way seemed to be backwards, but as they had been thrown out of every other country on the way it didn't wasn't looking very optimistic.

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Re: rising anti-immigration politics in the Chilean Election

Post by nopatria » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:49 pm

admin wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:29 am
By the way, thanks to Trump, we are now seeing a new interest in Chile from a group that use to be mostly a trickle: various nationals that are U.S. residents with H1-B type visa holders, suddenly interested in pulling out the United States due to Trump. They do not believe their visa status is secure, but do not want to go home (where ever home is), and are instead asking about moving to Chile.
I am seriously looking at Chile due to Trump. I have been very vocal against the Trump political party (e.g. letters to the editor, letters and in person interactions with politicians, organized protests, etc). I have already gotten threatening mail sent to my house. I think things are going to get worse. The divides that have been sown in this country will not go away regardless of who is elected. In short I want to live somewhere where I do not have to fear my neighbor.

Am I the only paranoid gringo?
Is there animosity towards U.S. expats?


BTW - I have visited Chile, I am not simply throwing a dart at the map. Chile seems to be the best fit for us. We currently live in Montana and love the mountains, hiking and skiing. I make custom skis. Maybe I could do this in Chile.....

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Re: rising anti-immigration politics in the Chilean Election

Post by Kel » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:50 pm

Its very interesting to watch the Chilean sentiment on immigration change. By virtue of being an ExPat over the past 3 years I have had many nationals launch into a diatribe about "the wall" and how awful the idea is. Some of these people I only met for the first time and I hadn't said anything about the wall or any other political subject but they felt it their duty to excoriate me over "the wall." (Like I was the one talking about building it). Suddenly that has changed. Some have recently even told me that Chile should consider building a wall. I've shared my view that I'm all for legal immigration but not for illegal immigration. It used to be that they didn't get it. Now they are getting it. Some are even calling for a ban on legal immigration. That is step beyond even what the US is even attempting. Chilean sentiment is changing.
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Re: rising anti-immigration politics in the Chilean Election

Post by at46 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:27 pm

In Santiago Chileans in customer facing jobs have started to smile their tortured smiles and try to do small, customer friendly talk. It's so hard for them, poor souls. It's a big change that has caught them completely unprepared. It's like a whole class of people have found themselves completely useless overnight.

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Re: rising anti-immigration politics in the Chilean Election

Post by 41southchile » Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:30 pm

Kel wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:50 pm
Its very interesting to watch the Chilean sentiment on immigration change. By virtue of being an ExPat over the past 3 years I have had many nationals launch into a diatribe about "the wall" and how awful the idea is. Some of these people I only met for the first time and I hadn't said anything about the wall or any other political subject but they felt it their duty to excoriate me over "the wall." (Like I was the one talking about building it). Suddenly that has changed. Some have recently even told me that Chile should consider building a wall. I've shared my view that I'm all for legal immigration but not for illegal immigration. It used to be that they didn't get it. Now they are getting it. Some are even calling for a ban on legal immigration. That is step beyond even what the US is even attempting. Chilean sentiment is changing.
Was only natural the view would change amongst some of the population, just hope they dont turn violent.
I see more and more immigrants integrating into jobs that Chileans dont want to do, digging ditches, rubbish collections etc, and generally look like they are having a laugh with their co workers certainly nothing malicious . I hear on the radio people complaining that the immigration officers are too small and they should move them to a bigger place so the immigrants dont have to wait out in the rain on Puerto Montt.
I've actually seem the opposite, people seem to be getting used to the new reality and wanting to help them, I've heard compliments especially when customer service is so much better in places run by immigrants. I think most realise that the govt has tightened up on immigration and is trying to remove those that shouldn't have been let in.
In typical Chilean style most acknowledge what's happened has happened, they make the best of the situation and move on, expect that is for the extreme fringes on either side.
Maybe things are different in the South?
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Re: rising anti-immigration politics in the Chilean Election

Post by Kel » Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:36 pm

Not so many immigrants in the south where I am yet. People's opinions are mainly driven by what they see on the news.

From my own perspective, the immigrants from Venezuela seem to be entering Chile legally. So I think its great that they can escape a bad situation in their own country. Hats off to the Chileans who accept them warmly and help them.
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Re: rising anti-immigration politics in the Chilean Election

Post by Space Cat » Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:37 pm

at46 wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:27 pm
In Santiago Chileans in customer facing jobs have started to smile their tortured smiles and try to do small, customer friendly talk. It's so hard for them, poor souls. It's a big change that has caught them completely unprepared. It's like a whole class of people have found themselves completely useless overnight.
Oh please no, fake smiles and fake interest in a customer is what I couldn’t stomach during my visits to the US. And I don’t want to have a “small talk” with people I don’t already know.

Luckily, nothing like this in the south so far — only the usual politeness and friendliness.

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