Might move to Santiago, Chile

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Might move to Santiago, Chile

Post by thesomebody » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:32 am

So, I might be moving to Santiago de Chile. I've never even visited the city (or country) before, and would like to know the opinions about life in Chile to help me decide where to go.
Some questions I'd like to know, are:

How is the cost of living?

Coming form a more developed country, what sacrifices should I be ready to make? How big is the difference really?

How concerned should I be about my safety?

How "latino" is the culture? I've heard Chile is quite Americanized, is this true?

How (socially) liberal are the people? I woudln't mind living in a more conservative area, but would like to know beforehand.

What are the locals like? While it'd be nice to have expat friends as well, I plan to integrate with the local population as much as possible to really experience the culture firsthand.

Dating prospects. What are Chilean women, in general, like? Yes, I'm aware that every country has all kinds of people, but from my own experience you can still easily make thsese kind of generalizations to some extent, but just have to remember that they are only generalizations.

I'd ofc also appreaciate any other tips and information you find useful.

Thanks! :)

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Re: Might move to Santiago, Chile

Post by Andres » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:03 am

Are you planning to retire in Chile, therefore be sort of like a perpetual tourist, with no need to accomplish anything?
Or do you expect to create a life in Chile, including employment, career and/or business interests?

The former is likely to be easy and likely to be enjoyable.
The latter is likely to be difficult and likely to be frustrating and frustrated.
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Re: Might move to Santiago, Chile

Post by thesomebody » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:02 am

Andres wrote:Are you planning to retire in Chile, therefore be sort of like a perpetual tourist, with no need to accomplish anything?
Or do you expect to create a life in Chile, including employment, career and/or business interests?

The former is likely to be easy and likely to be enjoyable.
The latter is likely to be difficult and likely to be frustrating and frustrated.
haha well I plan to do the latter.

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Re: Might move to Santiago, Chile

Post by admin » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:05 am

How (socially) liberal are the people? I woudln't mind living in a more conservative area, but would like to know beforehand.
Note to all gringos, "conservative" and "liberal" does not mean what you think it means in Chile, even if Chileans might use those terms or some online promoters sell it that way. If your looking for "conservative" (in the sense you are using it), Chile is not the place.
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Re: Might move to Santiago, Chile

Post by thesomebody » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:13 am

admin wrote:
How (socially) liberal are the people? I woudln't mind living in a more conservative area, but would like to know beforehand.
Note to all gringos, "conservative" and "liberal" does not mean what you think it means in Chile, even if Chileans might use those terms or some online promoters sell it that way. If your looking for "conservative" (in the sense you are using it), Chile is not the place.
Oh, would you mind explaining a bit more?

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Re: Might move to Santiago, Chile

Post by papageno » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:29 pm

Admin has posted extensively on this and similar many times over the years, I recommend using the Forum's search function which can save you much time.

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Re: Might move to Santiago, Chile

Post by Space Cat » Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:49 pm

thesomebody wrote:
admin wrote:
How (socially) liberal are the people? I woudln't mind living in a more conservative area, but would like to know beforehand.
Note to all gringos, "conservative" and "liberal" does not mean what you think it means in Chile, even if Chileans might use those terms or some online promoters sell it that way. If your looking for "conservative" (in the sense you are using it), Chile is not the place.
Oh, would you mind explaining a bit more?
It's a mix. (Disclaimer: I'm here less than a year.)

Some conservative parts: clan-like families, catholicism has lots of influence (catholic schools, universities), no abortions, sloppy banking system, some racism towards natives.

Some liberal parts: teenagers can look like they're attending Burning Man, same-sex unions, weed decriminalization on the go, sex shops in Santiago with transparent windows full of goods.

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Re: Might move to Santiago, Chile

Post by admin » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:37 pm

let me see if I can translate a "chilean conservative" in to terms an American might understand.

Stereo typical Chilean conservative male == (sort of) white male, 30 to 60+ years old, grandmother once made him go to church (catholic and / or evangelical ) at Christmas, has not been back since, but claims to be catholic (only the poor are anything else). Generally racist against all, including his own race (see the sort of white note). Homophobic to the point his friends politely don't tell him he is obviously a closet homosexual, but just in case he is married to a women he rarely talks to and does not even really like, and has a mistress on the side, that he screws around on with his other mistress, so that none of his friends can openly tell him he is really gay. By the way, he is still married to his first wife, separated, and has not gotten around to divorcing her after 10 or 20 years, now that divorce is legal; and the women he currently calls his "wife" and sort of lives with, can't really nail him down because he is technically still married to the other women; because if he did, then you could call it proper polygamy (which is technically illegal, but the churches do not get the irony of opposing divorce is the same as encouraging sudo-polygamy). The mistresses and the wife have likely all had at least one illegal abortion, and it was not necessarily his. His greatest joy in life though is to show the rest of the World how he has "made it" by generally being a dick to everyone to cover up for his complete sense of inadequacy all the way around. Never mind that there is a 90% chance he really has not "made it", since he is in debt up to ears, comes from no real money, and spent what little money he had at the race track, casino, and hanging out with his mistresses at the no-tell motels.

Yet, when presented with a formal survey, the sort that get picked up and published internationally, he will report that he is a 100% white male, catholic faith, regularly goes to church, opposes abortion, gay marriage, divorce, and so on.
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Re: Might move to Santiago, Chile

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:01 pm

DAMN, that was literally literary. I can second the observations of admin, as he has had much direct contact with those types as none of the described above would ever have me over for dinner. :wink:
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Re: Might move to Santiago, Chile

Post by papageno » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:55 pm

Wow, describes my outfitter to a "T", except that (Argentine) he never married the "wife" :mrgreen:

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Re: Might move to Santiago, Chile

Post by Toby » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:14 pm

Admins reply is brilliant and not so tongue in cheek as you might suppose. I retired here over 12 years ago and have a good life style here but found the Chileans to be a very mixed bag. Hypocritical, prone to extreme violence, dishonest, unreliable and, even when university educated, they don't seem to know much that is really practical. A good example of this is when a young (25ish) university student reading science was asked by me to help drill two holes in a high window frame. I passed him the Black & Decker and he asked what it was! He had no idea at all how to use it. Astonishing. Then there was the electrician who electrocuted himself, the plumber who burst a pipe repairing a pump, a painter who used the wrong paint on radiators (it never dried properly) and the list goes on and on. Tried opening a bank account here? Forget it. Tried transferring money from America or Europe? Forget it. Tried getting a residents visa? Forget it. Tried getting a job even with a good degree and speaking three languages. You might get lucky if you live in Santiago but anywhere else.... yes, you've got it, FORGET IT. OK, maybe I am being a bit harsh, but only a bit. There are good things here like living in the middle of a giant building site, good roads that have some INCREDIBLE crashes, policemen who are honest but grossly incompetent, and empanadas that alleviate the worst of hunger pains in return for a bowel blockage the the most experienced proctologist is at a loss to cure. Why do I stay here? Because there ar no foreigners here of course.

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Re: Might move to Santiago, Chile

Post by Donnybrook » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:28 pm

Wow, you guys need to have an Armonyl!

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