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China covid

Post by hlf2888 » Mon May 03, 2021 6:13 pm

If you do a search using Google and the key words China covid, the first entry will be a Wikipedia graph that shows that China is flat-lining as far as covid cases go. There is a drop down menu where you can compare it to other countries. The dropdown appears to accurately represent the situations in Canada, US, Chile and India. If accurate for all countries, this graph shows China has effectively contained the pandemic within their borders while the rest of the world is out of control. Any thoughts on this besides seeing it as an example of deception from China? Wikipedia used to be somewhat reliable. Please excuse the terminology using "appears" and "somewhat" but these are uncertain times.

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Re: China covid

Post by Huelshoff » Mon May 03, 2021 8:11 pm

Your qualifications aside about Wikipedia, authoritarian state. Not enough, but it helps.

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Post by admin » Mon May 03, 2021 9:20 pm

obviously you missed the global 😉.

we all know their numbers are bullshit. even the chines know that.
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Post by admin » Mon May 03, 2021 9:21 pm

I lived in china for a year.

the central committee is in charge of the country, but their control is hardly absolute. not even close.
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Re: China covid

Post by hlf2888 » Mon May 03, 2021 10:17 pm

So in other words, extreme bullshittism? Usually bullshit is more subtle.

Doesn't Wikipedia try to verify? Is there anyone on the ground in China that can say what is going on? Why do the other countries appear accurate? Wouldn't a Wiki techie spot that an anomaly that glaring?

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hlf2888 wrote:
Mon May 03, 2021 10:17 pm
So in other words, extreme bullshittism? Usually bullshit is more subtle.

Doesn't Wikipedia try to verify? Is there anyone on the ground in China that can say what is going on? Why do the other countries appear accurate? Wouldn't a Wiki techie spot that an anomaly that glaring?
yea, hard to explain. you kind of have to be there.

on the one hand their is a an effective "macro control" of china, on the other hand their is very little micro control; but, even among "dissidents" their is a huge patriotism and also cultural conformance to rules.
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Re: China covid

Post by fybian » Mon May 03, 2021 11:44 pm

As far as I know, the covid is well controlled in China by extremely harsh lockdown at the beginning of the pandemic. Currently, most of the active cases are from abroad, and the quarantine procedure for international traveller is very strict, 14 days hotel+7 days home and 2 PCR tests.

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Re: China covid

Post by RuneTheChookcha » Tue May 04, 2021 12:14 am

hlf2888 wrote:
Mon May 03, 2021 10:17 pm
Is there anyone on the ground in China that can say what is going on?
There definitely are. There are expats (English speaking including). There are English speaking locals. You have to spent a good deal of time, however, trying to make your own research, or connect and listen to all these people. Even then, the whole thing is so complicated, I won't give you much hope to success.

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Re: China covid

Post by hlf2888 » Wed May 05, 2021 1:42 am

RuneTheChookcha wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 12:14 am
hlf2888 wrote:
Mon May 03, 2021 10:17 pm
Is there anyone on the ground in China that can say what is going on?
There definitely are. There are expats (English speaking including). There are English speaking locals. You have to spent a good deal of time, however, trying to make your own research, or connect and listen to all these people. Even then, the whole thing is so complicated, I won't give you much hope to success.

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I did my research, joined a FB group, Foreigners in China and asked about the graph accurately projecting the reality. Unanimous agreement on the numbers. Here are some comments. You can join to read more. The group members don't sound like they are lying.

My question (short version) There is a dropdown menu to compare individual county graphs and world graphs.
Are the numbers correct for China in your experience or are they inaccurate.

Their answers, none were Chinese.

" Yes, accurate, in some cities almost no one wears a mask, there is no restrictions to what you can do as far as you do not have fever. Practically all the population got tested at least one time. I got tested about 6-7 times for divers health reasons.
To enter in some places such as hospitals, malls, and other crowded places, you need a green code on your phone. That’s about it.
The COVID pandemic is very well controlled and when there is a case, actions are taken immediately and people that have been in contact or in the area with the infected person are all tested.
China is now indeed much safer than most of the rest of the world. However it is possible because concrete actions are taken and the population will, for the very majority, respect the directives and do what’s necessary. That’s how it became a safe space without Covid-19 in a short period of time."

I asked "Can I share your comments?"
Answer "Not sure that would help much, as a lot of people have very fixed preconceived notions about China, but yeah, things have been relatively normal in China for quite a long time now"

Another member commented "no, most people aren't vaccinated, you can Google the most up to date figures, but last I checked it was about 237 million people having had at least one shot. There is still a lot of uncertainty about vaccination, even among medical staff. My nephew is a doctor in Shanghai and only ⅓ of hospital staff where he works are vaccinated. There's a big emphasis currently on getting university students vaccinated so they cajole their families to do so too 😂"

Another said " Life has resembled some normalcy since April of 2020. Schools were reopened more than a year ago and since it has basically been as normal as can imagine save needing to wear a mask on public transportation and some indoor locations."

Another said "I really don't get it, about what is going on in this world. But you need to give a credit to China, it dealt well with situation. So yeah, figures are correct. But for some reason, practice wasn't well taken by all countries in the world on time. Or even at least Singapore, Japanese or Korean practice, who also performed well at the start.
At certain stage I felt like most countries are just pushing virus to come to their country so that all their flaws they could blame on this virus situation. But again that's my crazy conspiracy theory, that somehow tries to explain this mess."

Another said " I flew back in November and went straight into quarantine. On the same day that I arrived, a worker at Shanghai Pudong airport tested positive. The airport was shut down and 15,000 staff and local residents of the neighborhood were tested in two days. 3 positive cases resulted. Everyone in my quarantine facility were notified immediately. A couple of months later, one person in Puxi tested positive, the entire neighborhood of 20,000 was moved to quarantine hotels. In the 5 months since I returned, life in Shanghai is about as normal as life was in New Zealand - in fact, probably more normal, because in New Zealand, whenever there's been a slight concern, they've shut down the entire city, whereas here they shut down affected neighborhoods. Much more efficient and much less disruptive.
In the 5 months since I returned, I've travelled through Hubei Province - including Wuhan - Jiangxi, Hunan, Zhejiang, Anhui, and yeah, things are normal. We show our health code going into malls and museums, and travelling, we wear masks in the subway, but that's about the extent of it."

Another said, you will like this one admin "This is a very complex question, but the short answer is NO. First of all, the PRC has control over most sources of media, so take everything you see with a grain of salt. The PRC wants to pedal the message that they are the "COVID-free" country and that they did everything right.
That couldn't be further from the truth.
China still has "hot zones" where communities are quarantined off from leaving, strict measures in place by the PRC, and movement stifled (outbound communication heavily monitored to enforce strict physicial distancing protocols). In part, this is why the PRC has been quite successful in preventing the spread, but that doesn't even get close to summarizing the full story. Ask a local in Wuhan about the COVID-19 pandemic and hear the truth. Don't believe the media. The hot zones are hushed, and any reporting about the penetration of the new variants quickly gets stifled. So even if there were quarantine zones, locals probably wouldn't know unless they visited those places.
In short, it depends on which area(s) of mainland China, but from my friends in most places, protocols do seem mostly eased at this point. Just remember we don't ever have the full picture from the PRC, so there are likely many "hot zones" we just don't know about and won't ever know about due to the narrative the PRC continues to pedal. "

Another said " “Ask a local in Wuhan about the COVID-19 pandemic and hear the truth.“
Dannie Huang 作为武汉人要不要凑热闹?"

Another said in response "how long has it been since you visited China? 2+ years? Dude, I just got back from Wuhan, it was my 6th time there, I have friends all over the city, heard all their stories. Your hot take from Canada wasn't worth the time it took to type."

There is a general consensus that the Chines Communist Party cannot be trusted but most of the China they live in and experience, things have gone back to normal.

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Re: China covid

Post by mt208 » Wed May 05, 2021 2:15 pm

I'm Chinese, I was in Hubei(province of Wuhan) in January last year, and I came to Chile in October, when China was basically back to normal.
My family left the province few hours before the official province lockdown, due to I went to university overseas and I couldn't risk getting locked down and delay my graduation for a whole year. Most entrances and exits of the highway was blocked by trucks, or a pile of mud, to prevent cars from entering or leaving the province, luckily we found one entrance which was soon blocked afterwards according to a family friend. While close to the border of the province, all license plates from the province was stopped and returned, luckily my family lives in another province so we left without problem. When we arrived to the province where my family resides, my family was put in quarantine for 14 days, and I left the country for university. My dad sneaked out to walk the dog on the 8th day, they had to do another 14 days all over again, then the elevator was set to not stop on our floor. The condominium brought all deliveries to the door whenever my family needed. Similar to my best friend who was locked down in Wuhan for 3 whole months, she was not able to leave her apartment door for the whole period, the community brought food to the door whenever they needed.

I returned home in March since the outbreak began all over the world, and my uni changed to online mode. I was sent in ambulance to the hospital for PCR test and blood test, then chest scan, then another pcr test which came out negative, I was let go to the city where my family lives. The hospital staff "escorted" me to the train, the steward of the train checked on me on every stop the train made, then when I arrived, he "delivered" me to the health authority in the train station(with a photo as proof of delivery lol). Then I was sent to the hotel for 14 days of quarantine, with PCR 7th day and 13th day.

When I got out of the quarantine, China was basically back to normal, the malls, restaurants, bars and night clubs were all open. However, my whole family was not able to do business trips at all because we were all born in Hubei province, our ID card begins with 42, which identifies us as "Hubeiese". A family friend was taken directly to the hotel quarantine when he traveled to another city from a low risk city because he had to swipe his ID card upon leaving the train station, and all Hubei ID would alert the health authorities in the train station. This lasted until May, and Hubei ID card was blocked by the railway system and airline system to purchase tickets to Beijing until June, Even after then, I had really hard time to find a hotel to stay while outside of Hubei until July.

China also limited the number of international flights with the infamous 1 country 1 route 1 flight per 1 airline per 1 week. (five "1" policy). Flight fares skyrocketed and a friend of mine who graduated in U.S in June, her family paid around 15000 dollars for an economy ticket back to China, and all international travelers would go through the processes I went through, except they must do their quarantine at the city of entry to China, without the possibility of going to and doing it in their city of destination.

So yes, the situation in China was controlled since March, April last year. Sometimes people get tested positive after completing the 14 days quarantine, and the authority shut the whole area down once there was any community infections. That's an authoritarian state, although the measures were super strict, and sometimes considered "inhumane", it worked. But just like the medias in China is controlled by the Chinese government, western medias are equally biased and manipulated.

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Re: China covid

Post by hlf2888 » Wed May 05, 2021 5:17 pm

Thank you mt208 for taking the time to share your experience. I got similar feedback from the FB page for foreigners in China, but not as detailed.

I agree that the Western media is promoting an anti-China mind-set. I am totally impressed with China's handling of the pandemic. Kudos to your country.

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